|Re: [jakartaee-platform-dev] TCK tests in the same repo as API and Spec|
- Is the splitting really what is recommended?- Should the Platform Jakarta EE TCK still be available in the future after the split?
- Should the interoperability between Specs tests (the tests that require multiple Specifications to cooperate as it is described in one or the other specification, the tests that used to be part of the full CTS only) still be part of the combined (?) Jakarta EE TCK?
- Is there a recommended framework to be used in the future with the TCKs (such as the existing JavaTest + perhaps Arquillian similarly to Microprofile + ?)?
Those should be goals presented by the Jakarta representatives before the TCK repo is started to be ripped apart. Not on email, but clearly on the main Jakarta informational page (whatever that is now).
-- Jan On 31.01.2020 20:34, Lance Andersen wrote:
I also agree with Bill. There has to be thought given to CTS structure first IMHO so that there is consistency in the test structure to make it easier to pull in the standalone tests and where the platform specific tests are maintained for the standalone technologies.This will take some time to flush this out. During the Java EE days, we did find it easier to work out of one master workspace, but part of that was due to the fact there was one team primarily responsible for the test development for all of the Java EE technologies.On Jan 31, 2020, at 2:01 PM, dmitry.kornilov@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmitry.kornilov@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:Bill, you are right. On the other hand the process of splitting has to be started somehow. It will never start with an assumption that some developer with TCK knowledge will take an initiative and start working on it. There are not too many developers like this and no one wants to take a risk and responsibility. On the other hand I don’t think that it’s a right time to do it now as part of Jakarta EE 9 release. I already proposed thatwe will not move JSONB TCK tests from CTS yet. We will do it after Jakarta EE 9 is released. We will keep them in sync until that time. Users may use TCK tests in JSONB repo as more convenient way of checking compatibility. But it cannot be used officially for compliance testing for now.-- Dmitry*From:*jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx><jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>>*On Behalf Of*Bill Shannon*Sent:*Friday, January 31, 2020 7:06 PM*To:*jakartaee-platform developer discussions <jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>; Andy Guibert <andy.guibert@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:andy.guibert@xxxxxxxxx>> *Subject:*Re: [jakartaee-platform-dev] TCK tests in the same repo as API and SpecThis has been discussed numerous times over the last 3 years. No one disagrees with the goal of splitting up the TCK repo. Whether the individual spec TCKs are in the same repo as the API classes or in a different repo is just a detail. The challenge is in splitting up the existing TCK repo such that the resulting TCK for each spec is functionally identical to the existing standalone TCKs for the specs, and that the platform TCK is somehow created by combining all the individual TCKs to produce a new platform TCK that is functionally identical to the existing platform TCK.Needless to say, this is not a small job.No one with deep knowledge of the existing TCKs has come forward with a detailed plan for how to achieve the above. Without that, we're all just wishing and hoping.And I strongly encourage you to*not*just start hacking on the TCK to create what you want for your spec. We need to solve the larger problem and a bunch of uncoordinated hacks to individual TCKs will not get us there.Thanks.P.S. You should be able to find some of the previous history of this discussion in the jakartaee-tck-dev mailing list.Andy Guibert wrote on 1/30/20 10:45 AM:Hi all,Currently all of the Jakarta EE TCK tests are housed in one big repo and they use a custom test framework from the Java EE days:As an example, I've started this off with the JSON-B TCK test here: jsonb-api pr: https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/jsonb-api/pull/221 yasson (impl) pr: https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/yasson/pull/379Just wanted to share this with the wider dev community and encourage other specs to follow suit as time permits.Cheers, Andy -- IBM _______________________________________________ jakartaee-platform-dev mailing list jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx> To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/jakartaee-platform-dev_______________________________________________ jakartaee-platform-dev mailing listjakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx> To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit<http://oracle.com/us/design/oracle-email-sig-198324.gif> <http://oracle.com/us/design/oracle-email-sig-198324.gif><http://oracle.com/us/design/oracle-email-sig-198324.gif><http://oracle.com/us/design/oracle-email-sig-198324.gif>Lance Andersen| Principal Member of Technical Staff | +1.781.442.2037Oracle Java Engineering 1 Network Drive Burlington, MA 01803 Lance.Andersen@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:Lance.Andersen@xxxxxxxxxx> _______________________________________________ jakartaee-platform-dev mailing list jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/jakartaee-platform-dev
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