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Re: [jakartaee-platform-dev] Using chatrooms for spec development
I agree that not everyone sees chatrooms and that big decisions should be tracked more tangibly via mailing list or Github issues.

The part where I see chatrooms being effective are simple day-to-day operations such as:
 - The CI build is busted! Can anyone with permissions go fix it?
 - There is a StackOverflow question related to our technology <here>, I'm stumped.... does anyone know the answer?
 - We've got a lot of open issues piling up, can we get some extra focus on them?

As for which chatroom we use, I have used both Slack and Gitter. I prefer Slack, but I know it will cost more money to use at the scale JakartaEE would need. The reason I suggested Gitter is because Eclipse already seems to have some sort of Gitter community here: https://gitter.im/eclipse. If we could go with Slack somehow, that would be preferable though.

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 7:53 AM Peter P. Lupo <pplupo@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I share Greg Wilkins concepts towards using chat tools for that purpose. However, since some people are reporting that it is useful in this context and it has been used successfully, I'd give it a try if that's what the community feels that works best.

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On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 2:07 AM Greg Wilkins <gregw@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Personally I see no role for Instant messaging in the development of specifications.  If something cannot be resolved in the thread based conversation of the issue tracker, nor the general discussion of a mailing list, then it is better to have a call at a scheduled time to actually discuss and then record the results in the issue tracker or mailing list.

The casual nature of chat rooms means that many will miss discussions there and many decisions will not be well recorded/documented.

They are great for other development teams in which there are many casual decisions to be made, but unsuitable for specification development by a wide variety of contributors.

regards



On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 at 21:23, carlos andres de la rosa <kusanagi12002@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hello all

Just to follow the other eclipse specs and be consistent in the communication process and also facilitate this between different specs I'm going with glitter I'm committer from micro-profile spec and this tool works pretty well across other spec projects

Gitter +1

Cheers

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 9:16 PM Ryan Cuprak <rcuprak@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

 The free tier is limited to 10k of the most recent messages. 
 
 I would vote for Slack (preferred), Skype, or Gitter. I really don’t want any more messaging applications on my computer/phone. I can barely keep up with email/twitter/slack. 

 GraalVM and MicroProfile are using Gitter. 

 -Ryan

On Jul 1, 2019, at 12:23 PM, Sendil Kumar N <sendilkumarn@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Ed

I think the free-tier of Slack will not scale well and there are some hard limits. 


Sendil
From: Ed Bratt <ed.bratt@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, July 1, 2019 6:15 PM
To: jakartaee-platform developer discussions; Sendil Kumar N
Subject: Re: [jakartaee-platform-dev] Using chatrooms for spec development
 
Is Slack an option? There is a Jakarta Developers Slack that was setup by someone at Eclipse (it's a "Free Tier" channel).
-- Ed
On 7/1/2019 8:46 AM, Sendil Kumar N wrote:
Hi 

Gitter UX is not that awesome and it is buggy. If we are going for chatrooms, then Discord is awesome we are using it for Rust, WebAssembly, Vue communities. 

You can split things and subscribe only onto those that you need to follow. 

I can help to set things up. 

Being in a lot of chatroom, My personal opinion is it is far more productive than mailing list.  


Sendil


On 1 Jul 2019 17:23, reza_rahman <reza_rahman@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
To be completely honest, I can barely keep up with my inbox. I stopped using chatrooms essentially when I got out of school when I had that kind of time on my hands.

Reza Rahman
Principal Program Manager
Java on Azure

Please note views expressed here are my own as an individual community member and do not represent the views of my employer.

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-------- Original message --------
From: Andy Guibert <andy.guibert@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: 7/1/19 10:54 AM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [jakartaee-platform-dev] Using chatrooms for spec development

Hi everyone,

Currently the only organization-level communication for JakartaEE and its various specs happens on the mailing lists or Github issues, but for more fast-paced conversations some sort of chatroom/IM is valuable.

I have used Gitter in the past for Eclipse projects (e.g. Eclipse MicroProfile) and it works quite well.

Would people be open to starting an official Gitter (or other) chatroom for JakartaEE projects?

- Andy Guibert


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