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Re: [jakartaee-platform-dev] Transitioning Jakarta EE to the jakarta namespace

Scott, this plus Greg's document is a good start, but I have lots of questions and comments. Where/how would you like to have that conversation? Do you want to see comments on GitHub before the PR is approved? Do you want me to approve the PR and then move the conversation to the mailing list? Something else?

Scott Stark wrote on 5/14/19 9:22 AM:
I have created an initial PR that includes binary levels of compatibility as I have been thinking about there here:

I will go through the document from Greg and augment this with improvements from his version to pull that content into the repo.

On May 14, 2019, at 6:20 AM, Greg Wilkins <gregw@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Tue, 14 May 2019 at 15:05, Jens KÃtterheinrich <jens@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Very good overview of the possible implementations for compatibility.

Questions which come to my mind:
- Is there a need to deploy applications to one application server instance using both APIs?

I think so. I can imagine many users will want to limit the number of things they change in their release plans, so they may want to transition the exact same application from an EE8 to an EE9 deployment, perhaps node by node. ÂThus being able to deploy the exact same application to both environments can be beneficial.
- Do we need an application server which is Java EE and Jakarta EE compatible at runtime?

If you want bug for bug compatibility with EE8 into the future, then some runtime solution is necessary - to have an EE8 runtime actually running.  ÂThe only other driver for runtime compatibility modes I see is to free EE9+ from having to keep EE8 behaviours and APIs. A wrapper approach can assist with this where as a translation approach cannot.

- Is there a need to have an application server being Java EE and Jakarta EE backwards compatible for a long long time? Should this be specified or should vendors decide on their own?

Define long :)ÂÂ

I think LTS is probably vender by vender - We still have some commercial support for our Servlet 2.4 server! ÂHowever, given the uncertainty that this change is probably going to cause, I think some vendor pledges for some reasonable duration of support for EE8 deployment may be helpful.


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