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[jakarta.ee-wg] Minutes of the Sept 8, 2020 Jakarta EE Steering Committee meeting

Hello -

Minutes of the Sept 8, 2020 Jakarta Steering Committee Meeting are provided below.

Jakarta EE Steering Committee minutes are regularly published at the following location:

https://jakarta.ee/meeting_minutes/#steering_committee

These minutes will be published at the above link.  Minutes of the Marketing and Specification Committees are available at this location as well.

Will

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Minutes of the September 8, 2020 Jakarta EE Steering Committee Meeting 


Please refer to your meeting invitation for the zoom password.


Attendees:


Fujitsu: Kenji Kazumura

IBM:  Dan Bandera, Kevin Sutter, Neil Patterson

Oracle: Will Lyons, Ed Bratt, Dmitry Kornilov

Payara: Steve Millidge

Red Hat: John Clingan, Scott Stark

Tomitribe: David Blevins, Cesar Hernandez

Enterprise Member representative: Scott Wang

Participant member representative: Not present

Committer member representative: Arjan Tjims

(Quorum is 5 -- simple-majority or one-half of the members (if even number) must be present)


Eclipse: Tanja Obradovic, Shabnam Mayel, Ivar Grimstad, Paul White, Paul Buck


Review of Minutes from Prior Meetings       


Minutes of the August 25 meeting were approved.


Minutes of the September 1 meeting will be reviewed next time.


Jakarta EE 9 Spec Project Status


  • Spec status summary

  • Spec project board (new column for links to TCK and GF board)

  • TCK issues

  • Schedule

  • Specs open for ballot

  • September 1 status summary

      • Three specs are DONE 

        • Jakarta Bean Validation

        • Jakarta Dependency Injection

        • Jakarta Batch (clarify process of absent vote)

      • Four specs are in Ballot 

        • Jakarta Activation

        • Jakarta Authorization

        • Jakarta Mail

        • Jakarta Contexts and Dependency Injection (CDI)

      • 10 Specs are close

        • Jakarta Annotations

        • Jakarta Persistence

        • Jakarta Web Services Metadata

        • Jakarta Interceptors

        • Jakarta JSON Processing

        • Jakarta Servlet

        • Jakarta SOAP with Attachments

        • Jakarta Authentication

        • Jakarta Debugging Support for Other Languages

        • Jakarta JSON Binding

      • General actions that will help the above and the remaining projects move forward

        • Process for closing ballots if all votes have not been recorded - awaiting email from Scott W.  Will discuss at spec committee

        • David checked for obvious “javax namespace” errors in specs (not in PRs themselves)

        • Losing track of uncompleted checklist items - spec committee

        • Full engagement from all spec leads and mentors

        • Have a set of specs for which there is no PR:

  • Sept 8 status 

      • Current spec status:

      • Background on Considerations for selecting a new GA date

        • We have agreed delivery of Jakarta EE 9 on or before Livestream date is important

        • Livestream will be scheduled based on our target GA date

        • We have agreed that once a new Livestream date is announced, we will not change the Livestream date

        • Therefore, we should select the new Jakarta EE 9 GA date target with reasonable confidence

        • Must decide on a GA data and Livestream date (pair) by Sept 11

        • It is possible there may be more ability to demo compatible full/web profile implementations if the date is later, and perhaps implementations with individual specs (e.g. Servlet)

        • It is also acceptable to do a “dark release” prior to Dec 8

      • Agreed to schedule Livestream on Dec 8

        • We will not change this date

        • Marketing and press activity would target this date

      • Agreed to set a GA target for Nov 20

        • All Specs in ballot NLT Nov 6

        • Earlier completion is acceptable 

      • Discussed whether we should have another milestone release for the GlassFish

        • Will review this when we have TCK results fully passing



Eclipse GlassFish 6.0 Status - Steve Millidge/Eliot Martin




Jakarta EE Advocate feedback on JetBrains webinar - Ivar Grimstad 

  • Ivar presented the slide deck below on Aug 25

  • Slide deck

  • We have feedback from the Jakarta EE Ambassadors on content

  • We have community voices doc David collected in the past

  • Current technical direction on jakarta.ee

  • Ivar is asking for higher level “release” direction vs. “technical” direction on individual specs:

    • Release cadence

    • LTS model

    • Number of profiles

    • Ability for component specs to release independently

    • There is a history in this community of leaders establishing release direction - need an overall narrative

  • Dan suggested we could indicate items/themes we would consider for future releases

  • We need to align this cadence with what could be absorbed by vendors and their customers

  • It was noted that for past EE 6 releases we conducted surveys

  • Such surveys could include requests for feedback on release cadence, etc

  • Ivar agreed to guide us through a structured discussions on this topic over the next several weeks - Ivar will come back over next 1-2 weeks



Email thread: "Jakarta EE Working Group Charter requires attention] Committee Calls "private" vs "public" + Misc"

  • Some alternatives we agreed to:

    • Agreed: Could publish minutes to Working Group lists (Jakarta EE Working Group <jakarta.ee-wg@xxxxxxxxxxx>) could help with text into mail

    • Perhaps do scheduled meetings publicly - will start with J4K meeting

    • Other committees encouraged to do the same


Tooling 



Marketing Committee Update and Jakarta EE Update Calls

  • JakartaOne Livestream 2020 (virtual)

    • Will be scheduled December 8th per decision above

    • Jakarta EE 9 Full Release Marketing Plan Sheet

  • Compatible Products Page (update-requested by the Specification Committee (EF))

    • Reviewed the latest mockup - Christie Witt (Eclipse Foundation)

      • Logo would be linked to either product page or download page

      • Versions link would be to TCK results

      • New button - Compatibility Requests - link to Github issues

    • Based on discussions, Christie to mock up a combined approach for a phase 2 look and feel - mid-October.

  • Why Jakarta EE?

    • Marketing committee - will build a “Why Jakarta EE” messaging/topic page - positioning value proposition in a consumable manner

    • Jakarta EE Roadmap would also be covered as an offshoot of this

      • Need to have a visually appealing view into directions

      • Design from marketing committee while content comes through other committees

  • Jakarta EE Update Calls

  • 2020 JakartaOne Livestream Events Doc

  • J4K conference - Oct 13-14 

    • Virtual Community Booth for members to sign up

    • Will have 30 mins public Steering Committee meeting as part of the conference on Oct 13 (same time slot)

    • Will have the October Update Call on October 14th from virtual booth


Jakarta EE 2020 Operational Plan (did not discuss)



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