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Re: [] [External] : TCK release process requirements (continuation from `Process for TCK service releases...`)

On 9/2/21 4:41 PM, Ed Bratt wrote:

If there are no assertion changes (i.e. the tests don't change) then re-release can probably be avoided. These updates can use the micro-version ID bumps.

I agree with no assertion changes == what you stated at the bottom "If the Platform specification (or any other spec that hasn't finished) imposes new or changed requirements (adds or changes an assertion) on RESTFul Web Services, after 3.1 is released -- that forces a new release."

RESTFul Web Services will need to verify itself with a compatible implementation that passes both the newly refactored TCK and a TCK that comes from the Platform TCK project.

Agreed since the RESTFul Web Service TCK currently only contains new tests and one Platform level TCK test.  I think that this will change when the RESTFul Web Service TCK can run all of the existing Platform TCK tests (including Jakarta EE Platform + Standalone Java SE tests).

Personally, I would like to see both Jersey and GlassFish (with the new RESTful Web Services implementation) both passing these TCKs prior to the 3.1 ballot.

I have no preference as to which implementation is used but would like to see as many implementations (at least one) pass as possible.

My hope is RESTFul web services project, or through an arrangement between it and the Platform TCK project, will run these TCKs against GlassFish (or, if another CI is willing to provide this service, great) and Jersey periodically -- and hopefully before either of the TCK releases is updated -- even if just a micro update. 

Just to bring awareness, what do we lose if is used instead of for testing GlassFish? 

So -- if we find a change breaks the previously compatible implementation, we can investigate and correct if necessary.

Good point, should this be coordinated with all of the compatible implementation teams via one of our processes?  I have thought about reaching out (nagging) to the compatible implementations when they create compatibility requests, that they should join so we could interact with them directly but I am not sure if mailing list discussions is enough to cover this need.

If the Platform specification (or any other spec that hasn't finished) imposes new or changed requirements (adds or changes an assertion) on RESTFul Web Services, after 3.1 is released -- that forces a new release.

I think that makes sense and does create a wall against changing requirements for a SPEC API after that SPEC API has completed its ballot.  The wall doesn't prevent further changes  but makes it obvious that there is a cost to change requirements late in the process.

Is this helpful?

Yes, very much so, thank you!

-- Ed

On 9/2/2021 8:28 AM, Scott Marlow wrote:


[1][2][3][4][5][6][7] are from the "Process for TCK service releases that include TCK updates for running signature tests on newer JDK versions..." discussion thread.  I am starting a new thread with the subject that Ed Bratt suggested as I agree that we need a new thread for this sub-discussion. 

I am responding here to the last message from Ed [7] for which I will paste his message.  I hope this is clear:

> I would have expected, when we hold a ballot, for any Spec., those components are expected to be ready for all required compatibility configurations -- both with a stand-alone compatible implementation and with a Platform implementation. If no suitable platform is
> available at the time the component is finished it is plausible that the platform will simply have to conform to the component TCK. If a Platform implementation is required and none is available, that component won't be ready for ballot. In a case where the Platform is,
> for some reason or other, going to imply changes on the component -- that seems like new requirements and a new release to me.

The concrete situation is for how we will deal with the EE 10 Platform TCK tests that *could* get added on top of the jaxrs-api/pull/1002 [8].  IMO, in order to release EE 10 in the first quarter of 2022, we need the overall development process to be as streamlined as possible for this brand new situation where we are adding new features to many EE specifications and also starting the TCK refactoring to improve how easy it is to add new TCK tests (as well as maintain the TCK tests for the future).

I assert that the RESTFul Web Services (3.1) Spec API ballot should only be run once for the EE 10 release and the same for all other Specs as that is what is required and that can include the Java SE TCK tests.  But what are the options for releasing [8] Platform level tests that do not require any Spec Ballot to be repeated?

> OR put another way: if the tests can't be frozen, then the Spec. won't be ready for a ballot.

So the Platform level tests cannot be frozen until the Platform spec is frozen but if some (new for EE 10) Platform level tests will be in the jaxrs-api repository [9], those platform level tests shouldn't be validated until after all of the Spec Ballots have completed.  IMO, the team maintaining the Platform level tests in the jaxrs-api repository [9] will need a way to fix any test defects identified prior to the Platform spec being released.  Also IMO, the Platform TCK tests in the jaxrs-api repository [9] need a way to be released along with any TCKs produced by the Platform TCK.

> We should always operate on the principle -- the Spec encompasses all of the Spec. text, the Spec. binary artifacts, and the TCK. If any of these change -- we are effectively changing the Spec. (I need to keep reminding myself, Compatibility tests are not the same as
> product tests.) Under this principle, the tests are not subject to change after the release ballot is started. We did a bit of a sleight of hand to allow for adding additional JDK support between 9 and 9.1 but  that was expressly not supposed to cause any test changes. There
> might have been other TCK test changes, but those all should have been due to challenges or other errata type fixes.

The change now is that we need coordination of releasing Platform TCK tests that are maintained by the Standalone SPEC API teams.  IMO, we should identify at ballot time if any Platform level tests are maintained by the relevant Spec so we can coordinate linking that Spec API with the Platform Spec final release process.



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