Re: [jakarta.ee-spec.committee] TCK process draft vote

[Bill Shannon <bill.shannon@xxxxxxxxxx>]

You don't need to sign a trademark license to *be* compatible, you just
have to submit a valid certification request.  At that point you can claim
your product is "compatible with the Jakarta EE specification".

To be able to use the trademark and the logo, you also need to sign the
trademark license, at which point you can claim your product is "Jakarta EE
Compatible" and use the logo to indicate so.

So there's three types of products:

1. Not compatible.
2. Compatible but no trademark license.
3. Compatible and signed the trademark license.

There are two web pages that could list products:

A. The Jakarta EE specification page (for which Wayne showed a prototype).
B. The Jakarta EE branded products page.

We expect B to be much more prominent and visible.

Clearly no page will list #1 products.

Clearly B will list only #3 products.

The question to the Steering Committee is what should A list.
The choices are:

x - A lists no products (unlike all the other specification pages)
y - A lists #2 and #3 products
z - A lists only #3 products

I strongly believe it should be (y), but I guess it's up to the
Steering Committee to decide.


Alasdair Nottingham wrote on 6/26/19 11:34 AM:
> Hi,
> 
> I thought the issue at hand was whether for the platform/web profile specs you had to have signed a trademark license, be a working group member to be listed as compatible (as well as the compatibility requirements). I thought for the other ones we said you don’t need that.
> 
>> On Jun 26, 2019, at 1:51 PM, Scott Stark <sstark@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> What I recall from our discussion on the topic is that we would allow the individual specification pages to have a list of compatible implementations that had completed a certification request. 
>>
>> The platform specs that have logos and branding associated with them would require an additional trademark license agreement. I don’t think we explicitly called out the what would be on the platform specification page in terms of compatible implementations. I think some assumed that the implementations that had completed a certification request would have a listing on the spec page, and those that had also completed a trademark agreement would be listed on another jakarta.ee branding page.
>>
>> The issue to the steering committee is whether or not to allow compatible implementations on the platform specification pages.
>>
>>> On Jun 26, 2019, at 8:54 AM, Kazumura, Kenji <kzr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> But, the first paragraph of this section seems to provide vendors an option
>>> that their products can be listed on jakarata.ee without Jakarta EE trademark license.
>>> If I am the only person who interpret like above, this document is ok.
>>>
>>> -Kenji Kazumura
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: jakarta.ee-spec.committee-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:jakarta.ee-spec.committee-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alasdair Nottingham
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 8:32 PM
>>>> To: Jakarta specification committee <jakarta.ee-spec.committee@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Subject: Re: [jakarta.ee-spec.committee] TCK process draft vote
>>>>
>>>> The first sentence of that section says it is self certification and the TCK license agreement lays out in section 4
>>>> what you do for that self certification process. The section in the TCK process is supplemental and necessary for
>>>> a) listing on Jakarta.ee as a compatible implementation and b) use of the Jakarta EE trademark.
>>>>
>>>> My interpretation is a vendor can claim compatibility provided I follow section 4 of the TCK license, but they can’t
>>>> use the logo and won’t be listed on Jakarta.ee (the latter of which might raise eyebrows of users)
>>>>
>>>> Alasdair Nottingham
>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 26, 2019, at 2:16 AM, Kazumura, Kenji <kzr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I’m sorry I may miss some discussions.
>>>>> Regarding the first paragraph of “Certification Compatibility” section,
>>>>> if a vendor's certification request is accepted but they do not sign the trademark license,
>>>>> what can they claim ?
>>>>>
>>>>> It is clear they cannot claim "Our product is Jakarta EE compatible", but
>>>>> is it ok they can claim "Our product is certified by Jakarta EE working group" ?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not clear how we should describe their product in jakarta.ee implementations page.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Kenji Kazumura
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: jakarta.ee-spec.committee-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:jakarta.ee-spec.committee-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Scott Stark
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 1:08 PM
>>>>> To: Jakarta specification committee <jakarta.ee-spec.committee@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Subject: [jakarta.ee-spec.committee] TCK process draft vote
>>>>>
>>>>> I think we have reached the point of a workable TCK process for the first release. The remaining issues are
>>>> outside the process doc and encapsulated in the 3 issues I sent out earlier. We can either vote by mail or in
>>>> tomorrow’s spec call if everyone is prepared to do so.
>>>>>
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