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Re: [jakarta.ee-community] Jakarta EE Development Workspace - Slack invite
Radu, could you expand what you mean with: "... but is there something wrong with mattermost, which I'm seeing that some projects have already adopted, for example https://www.eclipse.org/che/community/ "

Emily, I disagree with your statement on light usage of Slack for Jakarta. If with this Slack, they point is to trigger CALL-2- ACTION and being ok to be contacted privately to get stuff done, they how is that beneficial to the project and what it actually means to be scalable and enable others to become DOERS without barriers of communication debt? 

For everyone, lets watch with care our discipline and ownership of the OSS tools we might choose to adopt.  Just because something is meant to be tried it doesn't mean that it is meant to be protected if it is proven terrible for the project's goal. Sometimes, we fear to move on and cut debt, thats a choice but it is a human choice. 
None can dictate how Jakartees will come together and find the most fantastic way to be inclusive and patient while cooperating. Not EF, not a single one of us.   Our actions will provide the best feedback b/c each single time, actions lead to results. Value will be seen with tracind adding to.  I am always a proponent of fluid process and rustless adjustments in OSS> I have and bare no loyalty to tooling or processes that do not work to braid healthy ecosystems. 




On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 12:55 PM Radu Cadariu <radu.cadariu@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
hi, not to understate the qualities of slack, but is there something wrong with mattermost, which I'm seeing that some projects have already adopted, for example https://www.eclipse.org/che/community/ 

thanks,
Radu
On 11 Feb 2020, 20:50 +0200, Emily Jiang <emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, wrote:
I share the similar view with Tanja on this. With slack, you want to have an immediate response for something trivial such as "I saw a link regarding Jakarta JMS announcement somewhere I could not find. Does it exist? " . "My PR is ready for review. Can someone take a look?". This is kind of informal chat. It is also suitable for something trivial and you will worry about sending spams etc. For anything significant and need a lot of discussions, I think mailing list is a better place.

I think we need to be frank with ourselves: no one can follow up all conversations and we don't need to. We should accept it. It is not a bad thing. Let's not to block the communications just becasue we cannot keep up with it. Personally, I don't read every slack message and I don't have time to respond and process every message on the channels I was invited. It is ok. I can always ask questions there and get helped. I'll help others if I am available or am directly tagged.


Emily

On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 4:34 PM Tanja Obradovic <tanja.obradovic@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

While Slack is becoming a communication standard, it is still relatively informal way of communicating. The voting, decision making and key messages will be sent via email still. I can see on Slack one can initiate a debate or discussion, but we need to mindful that not everyone uses Slack so email had to be official way of communicating.

Thanks,

Tanja

On 2020-02-11 10:14 a.m., Werner Keil wrote:
Is it possible for Eclipse webmasters to set up some batch to preserve them or does Slack have something against that? 

Jeyvison Nascimento <jeynoronha@xxxxxxxxx> schrieb am Di., 11. Feb. 2020, 15:55:
The workspace uses the free plan so only the last 10k messages are archived.

Em ter., 11 de fev. de 2020 às 11:13, Werner Keil <werner.keil@xxxxxxxxx> escreveu:
From all i know they are always persisted. 

Scott Marlow <smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx> schrieb am Di., 11. Feb. 2020, 15:07:
Hello Tanja and thanks for the invite!

Is there a web page that archives the Jakarta EE Development Slack
conversations?  If yes, that might be useful for referencing
conversations that occur there.

Thanks,
Scott

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 3:55 PM Tanja Obradovic
<tanja.obradovic@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Hello dear Jakarta EE communities!
>
> this is just a quick invite to all interested to communicate via SLACK
>
> Please join Jakarta EE Development Slack Workspace !
>
> Best,
> Tanja
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