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Re: [incubation] Question about trademark protection (AsciiDoc)

Hi Dan,
Mikael's reference below ( is good, especially this section:  Proper Usage of Eclipse Working Group Trademarks

This describes the process for the use of a trademark (such as "asciidoc") by other projects or groups.  This alternate project (asciidoc-hs) should send a note to license@xxxxxxxxxxx asking for permission to use it.  Or, you could do it on their behalf (if you support this usage).  We had a similar situation with MicroProfile since there were other user groups and activities that wanted to use the "MicroProfile" trademark.  We encouraged this usage, but it still had to go through the EF for approval.

Kevin Sutter
STSM, MicroProfile and Jakarta EE architect @ IBM
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From:        Mikael Barbero <mikael.barbero@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To:        Discussions for new Eclipse projects <incubation@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date:        07/02/2020 03:14
Subject:        [EXTERNAL] Re: [incubation] Question about trademark protection (AsciiDoc)
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Hi Dan,

It's not my area of expertise, but I'd suggest (if you did not do it already) you read the Foundation trademark usage guidelines ( and the supplement made by the Jakarta EE WG for their own trademark guidelines (

North American offices are closed until July 6th, but I'm sure they will come back to you after that with more details.


Mikaël Barbero

Team Lead - Release Engineering |Eclipse Foundation
🐦 @mikbarbero
Eclipse Foundation: The Platform for Open Innovation and Collaboration

On 1 Jul 2020, at 23:25, Dan Allen <dan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

To introduce myself, I'm a representative from the lead organization for the AsciiDoc Working Group ( and Language Specification ( at the Eclipse Foundation. I'm also the maintainer of the Asciidoctor project, which has served as the steward for the AsciiDoc language.

As the AsciiDoc language specification gets underway under the umbrella of the AsciiDoc Working Group, I'm curious to know how the process for protecting the trademark works (in this case, AsciiDoc). One of the main reasons we chose the Eclipse Foundation to host the specification is to prevent the AsciiDoc name from being used in ways that dilute its meaning.

To cite a concrete example, we received the following announcement on the AsciiDoc WG list about a new project named asciidoc-hs that aims to develop a new processor for AsciiDoc. Here's that message:

I want to state right up front that we in no way want to discourage this effort. The goal of the AsciiDoc WG is to encourage the creation of multiple implementations. However, right now, there's no official spec or TCK in place for the AsciiDoc language, so it's not possible for a library to claim it parses AsciiDoc (apart from grandfathered projects like Asciidoctor and AsciiDoc Python). And since the project cannot yet self-certify as compliant, our understanding is that the trademark "asciidoc" cannot be used in the name.

What's the process for handling this situation? Will the Eclipse Foundation help with situations like this? How serious is the Eclipse Foundation about protecting its trademarks? How do we communicate with the project maintainer(s) that the AsciiDoc name cannot be used until the software is compliant with the spec (which depends on the existence of a TCK)? And in what way can the name be used once it is?

I look forward to your guidance.


Dan Allen

p.s. We have a similar issue with libasciidoc, found at

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