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Re: [ide-dev] Photon IDE, by Eclipse

I guess Mike gave me permission to be a curmudgeon again so I’ll add my voice to those against this change and especially agree with Ed.


I think the market is quite settled in what the name of the IDEs are. And, yes, as Mike mentioned, the community I work with simply call it Eclipse and I have spent a lot of effort promoting the Eclipse C/C++ IDE as a “product”. Changing the name now will just confuse and we’ll never get the marketing budgets required to change that.


And either way Photon is a horrible name and if you do chose it, I won’t let it pass this time. Photon is a QNX trademark and the name we have for our old GUI environment. We are going to have a tough enough time explaining the Eclipse Photon release to our customers.

I have more important things to spend time on to rebuild the Tools community that has taken a hit over the last year. The brand isn’t the problem. Having technology that they care about and a friendly face seems to be working. And it’s much more rewarding.




From: ide-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ide-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ed Merks
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2017 2:22 PM
To: ide-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ide-dev] Photon IDE, by Eclipse


Picking a name clearly needs to be carefully decided if that's going to be a new brand...

And since you bring up the versioning thing, if I were voting on the Java's new "improved" versioning also based on a  <yy>.<mm> versioning scheme, I would give it -1000 as well.  What a nightmare!  I asked at Donald Smiths talk at EclipseCon: "What if the release slips by a month, might 18.4 end up being the next Java version" and the answer was "yes."   So one can't really anticipate with 100% confidence the next version number of Java.   Perhaps semantic versions are completely irrelevant because of course in 2101 we'll want to release Java 101.3 along with Eclipse 101.6, or we should assume long term irrelevance...


On 27.10.2017 20:01, Gunnar Wagenknecht wrote:

On Oct 27, 2017, at 16:36, Daniel Megert <daniel_megert@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


-100 to choose "Photon". Tons of people will download Eclipse Photon next June. How do you explain them that the next download, also called "Photon" according to your proposal, is not the same old thing?



I think this needs to be discussed more broadly. I though that once we pick a name - we stick with it and then ever only add a version number (like year.something).



Gunnar Wagenknecht
gunnar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, http://guw.io/



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