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Re: [ide-dev] TextMate in Eclipse IDE

Hi, as LiClipseText was cited, I thought about answering ;)

Personally, I don't think adding it under eclipse.org is much better than having it on Github (for me, the bar for contributions is lower on Github, and in general things are more streamlined for me -- but I also know this is a matter of taste -- although neither in LiClipseText nor in PyDev there are any native components... if there were native components, then *maybe* adding to eclipse.org could be justified for the infrastructure).

I don't agree with the argument of higher density of developers with more relevant skills (i.e.: developers contribute to where the code they're interested in exists -- unless there's a general guideline for specific companies, but for instance, RedHat has no issues in contributing to PyDev, which is on Github).

So, all in all, yes, I don't have interest in moving LiClipseText nor PyDev to eclipse.org, and I also think that it shouldn't matter. i.e.: I personally think that the number of people under eclipse.org is not big enough to support all that's in place already -- if eclipse.org just focused on moving SWT forward to be a modern UI framework and keeping the platform well supported enough, there would be more than enough work already -- but I also know this is not how it works and everyone has its own agenda -- including myself ;)

Regarding providing plugins from marketplace in eclipse.org packages, I don't see any issues... and as a note, if a textmate editor is created in eclipse.org itself (which I'm also fine if someone wants to do BTW, even more if the code will be well done and properly supported), you still have to get the grammars (which are scattered over github) if you want to add support for those out of the box (as I don't think you'll want to recreate all those grammars).

Cheers,

Fabio

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 10:43 PM, Sopot Cela <scela@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> That's one, along side with "I'm gonna get my product developed for free" :)
> But if a project is dead, I don't see which good it will do to bring it
> to Eclipse.... For resurrection miracles, there are better places than
> OSS foundations :)

As far as I've seen these freeloading experiments indeed never go far.

> If the reason for bringing an IDE related project to Eclipse is "be able
> to ship it as part of the various packages", I think this is something
> that needs to be discussed because I don't see this general approach
> working (https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=501547).

There are many other reasons in general. Exposure to a more 'targeted' community is one of them. Infrastructure support also (we're in a tight spot with it now but hopefully it will get better). IP logistics is also important. Higher density of developers with more relevant skills (as compared to e.g. GitHub) which can help out in times of need. These are from the 'third party' point of view. Sometimes this is not attractive enough for original developers of the project, which is fine.

As from our (eclipse.org supporting people) POV it's self evident I believe that the more quality projects we have, the better it is.

>
> On 11/28/2016 3:21 PM, Sopot Cela wrote:
> > Is 'being dead' the only reason you can think of for moving a project to
> > Eclipse.org?
> >
> > ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
> >> Van: "Pascal Rapicault" <pascal@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Aan: "Discussions about the IDE" <ide-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Verzonden: Maandag 28 november 2016 18:42:28
> >> Onderwerp: Re: [ide-dev] TextMate in Eclipse IDE
> >>
> >> What is the goal of moving projects to Eclipse.org, when they are well and
> >> alive outside?
> >>
> >> On 11/28/2016 8:37 AM, Mickael Istria wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 11/28/2016 02:33 PM, Michael Scharf wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> As far as I remember, LiClipse also upports textmate syntax specs
> >> http://www.liclipse.com/text/textmate_bundles.html
> >>
> >>
> >> Would be great to also have LicLipse moving to Eclipse.org, but as far as
> >> I
> >> remember about such discussions, Fabio wasn't much interested in it.
> >> --
> >> Mickael Istria
> >> Eclipse developer for Red Hat Developers
> >> My blog - My Tweets
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