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Re: [ide-dev] Java IDEs comparison

----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruno Medeiros" <>
> To: "Discussions about the IDE" <ide-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, 14 September, 2016 5:34:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [ide-dev] Java IDEs comparison
> On 13 September 2016 at 23:31, Patrik Suzzi < psuzzi@xxxxxxxxx > wrote:
> Hi All,
> I just read a post entitled "The fall of Eclipse" -
> .
> I don't know about the actual usage statistics for Eclipse and IntelliJ, but
> I very much agree with all the points he raises in the article:
> 1. Eclipse 4
> Yes, this was the beginning of the end.
> 4.0 and 4.1 series of Eclipse were buggy as hell, unusable for me even for
> just core Java and PDE work. I only switched from 3.x to 4.x when Eclipse
> 4.2 was out, and even then it was bumpy.
> CSS/theming engine was a failure and massive waste of time, at least for IDE
> (dunno about RCP). See point 4.
> Other e4 technologies were also of questionable value, IMO. Dependency
> injection? I've never used them in the IDEs I've development. Did it bring
> significant improvements to technical quality of the IDE?
> There there was p2:
> 2. Equinox P2
> Ok, this wasn't as bad as CSS/theming, it works fairly well nowadays (I
> think? Others might disagree). But it was still another massive investment
> and breaking change that cost adopters time and effort. Was it worth it in
> the end? Maybe, I'm not in a position to judge. But other more important
> aspects were forsaken in the wake of this.
> 4. Ugly as sin
> True. Since Eclipse 4, I've always configured Eclipse to look like the
> classic theme. Including manually have to tinker with .e4css/ files to
> restore traditional style tabs. Nowadays, with Eclipse Neon, I just have the
> theming engine completely disabled. Good riddance.

I truly believe this is the path forward. We need the theming engine (or smth similar at editor level only) for the sake of adjusting editor highlighting colors if/when your system uses dark theme but this is not implemented yet.
While I admire the effort spent on theming engine - putting a theming engine on top of UI library designed to mimic your OS look as much as possible can't give very good results.

> 3. Not a product
> True as well, in the sense that there is no proper product director/manager
> and product vision. This was mentioned before in this thread, see Doug's
> comments on "product focused organization", etc.
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Alexander Kurtakov
Red Hat Eclipse team

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