Re: [ide-dev] News about Android Studio

[Lars Vogel <lars.vogel@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 6:03 PM, Doug Schaefer <dschaefer@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> This is probably a discussion for the Andmore list, but I wonder whether
> we need to use Buildship for Android, or whether Andmore can generate
> whatever build files it needs to and call gradle directly. Something to
> think about. It sounds easier at least.

If we want good Gradle support for Eclipse Android development IMHO
the correct approach is to use Buildship. Buildship already has great
and deep Gradle integration and delegates everything to the "normal"
Gradle tooling. I think the only thing that is missing is an Buildship
API which allows other like Andmore to configure the classpath.

Best regards, Lars


> On 2015-12-01, 11:38 AM, "ide-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Lars
> Vogel" <ide-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of lars.vogel@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>>Hi Mickael,
>>
>>I use Android Studio on a regular basis and it seems to me that they
>>moving more and more functionality to Gradle. AFAIK the target is
>>still to stay as much independent as possible from the IDE and
>>delegate as much as possible to the build system.
>>
>>Once the Gradle tooling has been extended to support Android, we
>>(Eclipse) should be a good alternative again for Android development.
>>Android Studio feel to us and our customers relatively buggy and slow.
>>
>>Unfortunately the Eclipse Gradle project seems currently slow
>>(https://github.com/eclipse/buildship/commits/master), not sure if
>>they planning to work on Android support in the near future.
>>
>>Best regards, Lars
>>
>>On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 3:29 PM, Mickael Istria <mistria@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>wrote:
>>> Android Studio recently released a new version. This good video covers
>>>some
>>> nice features https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2GC6P5hPeA#t=770 .
>>>Nothing
>>> very new, no big uber-powerful feature changing the game. This video is
>>>also
>>> a good opportunity to see the completion, quick-fixes and templates of
>>>IDEA
>>> in action. The features I find the most interesting are all already
>>>logged
>>> in Bugzilla and were already discussed there, so I won't get into
>>>details.
>>> There performance tools seem very good. It's IMO something we're
>>>missing in
>>> Eclipse IDE since TPTP was abandonned. As far as I remember, none of the
>>> main Eclipse IDE packages provide a way to profile or monitor
>>>applications
>>> under development easily. That's a major missing feature compared to
>>>Android
>>> Studio. However, it simply seems like it's not one our community wishes
>>>to
>>> invest into, probably because it's still not a top-priority in most
>>> end-users projects.
>>> However, my lack of general experience with Gradle nor C++ make me
>>>unable to
>>> evaluate what's good/bad in Android Studio compared to Eclipse
>>>BuildShip or
>>> CDT.
>>>
>>> For Android, it's interesting how they answer to the 1st question, ie
>>>most
>>> of the tools about Android development will move only to the IDE. It
>>>seems
>>> to mean that the SDK and IDE are going to be merged at some point, and
>>>that
>>> the IDE will be the single entry-point for development. That means that
>>>it's
>>> a lot of thing to duplicate in Eclipse IDE if most other tools are
>>>going to
>>> be dropped.
>>> Another interesting one is about sharing project settings, for the
>>>project
>>> specific configuration such as the "structural replace". It's actually
>>>an
>>> important question when you add into the IDE some checks that are not
>>> possible to "externalize" in the build or in independent tools. They do
>>> encourage to share the project specific files, like we usually do for
>>> Eclipse IDE:
>>>
>>>http://www.slideshare.net/AurelienPupier/committing-ide-meta-files-miscon
>>>ceptions-misunderstandings-and-solutions
>>> --
>>> Mickael Istria
>>> Eclipse developer at JBoss, by Red Hat
>>> My blog - My Tweets
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