Re: [equinox-dev] provisioning self hosting

[Jeff McAffer <Jeff_McAffer@xxxxxxxxxx>]

I was updating the selfhosting doc and
realized that one of the reasons it is complex is because the selfhosting
support is not available in binary form that people can just add to their
dev install.  If it were then we would eliminate the need for Left
(or Left would become Middle).  The problem with doing this is that
sometimes there are metadata changes etc that require you to update both
the selfhosting code itself and the prov code you are developing (against).
 If we can work out the mechanics of it, it would be interesting to
see if we can get the selfhosting support available in binary form...

Thoughts? 

Jeff

Jeff McAffer/Ottawa/IBM@IBMCA
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Not sure I understand.  If one is writing some system that calls the
provisioning API, they need to selfhost.  Such a person may have no
interest in how provisioning works, writing tools for it, ...  They
simply want to call the code to have things installed at runtime.  An
example would be someone porting TOAST to use the new provisioning stuff.
 They had their own provisioning, then put it one Update Manager and
now want to put it on the new provisioning system.   They develop
bundles that have nothing to do with provisioning but when they run they
need to be able to dynamically install them without having to "deploy"
or generate metadata manually or...  Code and run.

The proviisoning Geting Started page is targetted at people looking to
get started with the provisioning code.  By definition it seems then
that they fall into the groups you have identified plus the folks I pointed
out.  Who else would be reading the getting started page?

BTW, I have no problem splitting up the page but am not clear on how to
do that. 
Jeff

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I helped Andrew O. with the self hosting setup and what became apparent
at
that time was this is *not* a getting started scenario for someone just
willing to step through an installation. This setup is interesting for
two
groups of people, the tool smiths willing to understand how provisioning
and PDE will be reconciliated in 3.4, and people willing to setup complex
provisioning scenario without writing metadata manually. However those
expectations were not clear, and scared people away from provisioning.

Rather than building up this page I would appreciate if you could split
the
self hosting doc into its separate page.

PaScaL


                    
                     
                     
         
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In looking through provisioning bug reports recently there have been a
few
cases where people have expressed frustration or problems with their
selfhosting setup.    The configuration is currently quite sensitive
but
does seem to work quite well if you know how to care for it.  A while
ago I
took a stab at a selfhosting How-to on the wiki

http://wiki.eclipse.org/Equinox_Provisioning_Getting_Started#Setting_up_selfhosting

This is pretty bare bones and does not have some level of detail needed
in
real life (e.g., the metadata locations to delete in case of problems etc)

Since selfhosting is so central to the development workflow, it would be
great to refine the steps in the howto and hightlight the pitfalls/cures.
What I propose is to work with anyone and everyone who is having
selfhosting problems and then document the problems and solutions as well
enhance the steps based on feedback.

It might be most effective if we simply scheduled a selfhosting call and
people with problems/contributions could dial in.  Alternatively,
we could
use part of the regular provisioning call (if there are alot of people
interested/having problems).  Alternatively, if there are only a few
people, one on one might work.

Thoughts?

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