Re: [ee4j-pmc] [External] : Re: Moving the jsonp implementation project

[Lukas Jungmann <lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Thank you Wayne,

thanks,
--lukas

On 4/22/21 11:53 PM, Wayne Beaton wrote:
> 1) No.
>
> Changing the project name requires engagement of the trademarks team to 
> make sure that the new name is something that we can reasonably lay 
> claim to. Any change that involves the transfer of intellectual property 
> requires engagement by the IP Team. In both cases, we'd get you to 
> engage in a restructuring review (which also serves as a means of 
> informing the membership and tracking the change). From the 
> perspective of the EDP, changing a groupid does not require any 
> review or engagement with the EMO.
>
> 2) Yes.
>
> The general rule (from the perspective of the EF) is that the groupid 
> should leverage an Eclipse Foundation brand. Ids of the form 
> "org.eclipse.<project short name>" are the default;  that is, every 
> Eclipse project can use an "org.eclipse" groupid. Other than that, it's 
> up to the PMC to provide more specific guidance and approve exceptions.
>
> For completeness (I know that you're not suggesting this, but somebody 
> reading this thread is thinking it) the working group has made it pretty 
> clear that the "jakarta" name should only be used for specifications 
> developed under the purview of the Jakarta EE specification committee, 
> so that's off the table for the groupid of an implementation.
>
> HTH,
>
> Wayne
>
> On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 4:19 PM Lukas Jungmann 
> <lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>
>     Ok, let me rephrase my questions:
>     1) is restructuring, or some other, review required for/after
>     intended changes? Changing project name definitely requires
>     restructuring review together with involvement of the IP team.
>
>     2) are implementations governed by ee4j free to use org.eclipse pkg
>     namespace/maven groupid? Or must they follow some rules, like say
>     org.eclipse.<projectName>?
>
>     Thanks,
>     —lukas
>
>
> >     22. 4. 2021 v 21:54, David Blevins <dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>:
> >
> >     
> >     I agree with Kevin, that I don't believe the PMC needs to approve
> >     changes like this for implementation projects.
> >
> >     Speaking with my PMC hat off, I'd encourage you to take the
> >     opportunity to give the project a proper name rather than just
> >     using the former spec name.  Krazo, Soteria, Metro, Mojarra, etc
> >     are all great examples of good names.  Eclipse Activation, Eclipse
> >     Mail, Eclipse JSONP, Eclipse JAXB are anti-patterns in my opinion.
> >
> >     Other implementations of JSONP have names like Joy and Apache
> >     Johnzon.  A similar trade name would be great.
> >
> >     As mentioned, that's with my PMC hat off and with no implied
> >     authority.  Just me speaking as a member of the community :)  You
> >     can take it or leave it.
> >
> >
> >     -David
> >
> >
> >     On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 12:18 PM Kevin Sutter <sutter@xxxxxxxxxx
> >     <mailto:sutter@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> >
> >         Thanks, Lukas.  I don't see an issue with your proposed
> >         changes.  And, I don't believe the PMC needs to "approve" them
> >         either (but maybe Ivar has more experience with this aspect).
> >
> >
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> >
> >         From: Lukas Jungmann <lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx
> >         <mailto:lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx>>
> >         To: ee4j-pmc PMC List <ee4j-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx
> >         <mailto:ee4j-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
> >         Date: 04/22/2021 11:53
> >         Subject: [EXTERNAL] [ee4j-pmc] Moving the jsonp implementation
> >         project to a different namespace/groupId
> >         Sent by: "ee4j-pmc" <ee4j-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
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> >
> >
> >
> >         Hi PMC,
> >
> >            We would like to change package namespace and project
> >         groupId for
> >         the Jakarta JSON Processing implementation project. Our intent
> >         is to:
> >
> >         * change implementation package name from org.glassfish.json to
> >         org.eclipse.jsonp
> >         * change project's groupId from org.glassfish to org.eclipse.jsonp
> >
> >         Motivation: allow co-existence of old javax based and new
> >         jakarta based
> >         implementations within the same instance of JVM.
> >
> >         The PR is: https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/jsonp/pull/283
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> >
> >         Questions:
> >         1) Do we need any sort of review for this change to be OK?
> >         2) Are we allowed to use "org.eclipse.jsonp" maven groupId and
> >         package
> >         namespace?
> >
> >         thanks,
> >         --lukas
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