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Hi Santiago,
I agree that is complex for specification projects. A lot of this is down to the fact that a specification project is special. The specification process release review is defined here https://www.eclipse.org/projects/efsp/?version=1.2#efsp-reviews-releaseand the various checklists are maintained by the specification committee here https://github.com/jakartaee/specification-committee
The specification process defines that the EMO, PMC and a ballot of the specification committee all have to be successful for a spec to be released. I assume the PMC and EMO approvals are inherited from the standard Eclipse release reviews that all projects have to undergo.
What the spec committee need to do (if they haven’t already) is a set of simple steps which detail what is needed to meet the needs of the EFSP release review and in what order so it doesn’t feel like a black art.
Steve
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Hi Ivar,
The whole release process seems very convoluted, especially for those that aren’t in the day-to-day discussions related to it. There’s multiple PR’s with long checklists, multiple e-mails, reviews, etc. By contrasts, a release in the JCP days was a lot simpler.
I fear this process will discourage projects from releasing often (I certainly feel that way), and just prevent Jakarta EE to evolve at the “desired” pace. I hope we can figure out a simpler process going forward. I don’t pretend to have a holistic view of the process to provide any actual recommendation, but my point of view, it looks unnecessary complicated.
Thanks.
— Santiago
On Oct 24, 2020, at 9:38 AM, Ivar Grimstad <ivar.grimstad@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
No questions are dumb! ;)
I must say that I am a little unsure which review period you are referring to that has ended...
The Ballot will conclude on November 3rd.
The proposed release date is set by the project team to October 30 in the release record. This is the date that probably should be adjusted by the project team. If it feels better, go ahead and do so.
This is the date the EMO will conclude its release review, but since it depends on the ballot, that won't happen until November 3rd.
There are so many moving parts here that I am sure there are some small inconsistencies and chicken-and-egg situations here and there. We just need to be a little pragmatic when it comes to some of the less important details.
Ivar
On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 2:55 PM Markus KARG <markus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Thank you for this information, Ivar.
Maybe this is a dumb question, but what sense does it make to end the review period earlier than the ballot period…?
-Markus
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The Ballot for release review by the Specification Committee will conclude on November 3, 2020. See this thread for progress: https://www.eclipse.org/lists/jakarta.ee-spec/msg01136.html
As you can see from the release record by the EMO, the status is pending, since it depends on the review mentioned above.
https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/ee4j.jaxrs/reviews/3.0.0-release-review
Ivar
On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 9:24 AM Markus KARG <markus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
The review of Jakarta REST 3.0 is over since three days. What was the result of the review?
-Markus
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