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Re: [ee4j-pmc] Jakarta REST 3.0 Review
Project committers can put whatever dates they want into the release and release review date fields. My expectation is that project teams will adjust these dates as their schedule adjusts and the real date for their release becomes more evident (ideally as early in the release cycle as possible). Very often, however, the EMO actually ends up adjusting the dates on behalf of the project team as release review requirements are completed (i.e., IP Log reviews, PMC approval, and specification committee ballot). Note that this means that, when adjusting this information is left to the EMO, it occurs very late in the process.

FWIW, when the EMO detects that a release review is imminent (e.g. a project initiates a PMC approval, submits their IP Log for review, or calls a specification committee ballot), the EMO creates a tracking issue in Bugzilla with the project leads (and whoever initiated the action) in copy. That issue is then used to track the release process. We use consistent naming on these tracking issues (e.g., ee4j.jaxrs) to make them easier to find. 

In this particular case, I should have adjusted this last week when the specification committee ballot was initiated. My apologies.

Thanks for drawing this to our attention. I've adjusted both the release and release review dates to November 4.

Wayne

On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 11:36 AM arjan tijms <arjan.tijms@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi,

I've went through this process many times (I did multiple specs for both EE 8 and EE 9), and it indeed feels a bit much. Obviously the bulk of the work is in spec projects. Implementation projects are less work, especially minor releases.

Part of the process may be simplified by automation, i.e. a TCK run can generate the results in the two required formats (Tck_results.md and the markup for the certification request). I'm now often copy/pasting from the TCK runs into these two required formats.

There's at some point a required mail to be sent, which is essentially always the same. I copy/paste this email from previous mails sent. This could probably be automated as well.

Kind regards,
Arjan Tijms








On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 3:14 PM Santiago Pericas-Geertsen <santiago.pericasgeertsen@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Ivar,

 The whole release process seems very convoluted, especially for those that aren’t in the day-to-day discussions related to it. There’s multiple PR’s with long checklists, multiple e-mails, reviews, etc. By contrasts, a release in the JCP days was a lot simpler. 

 I fear this process will discourage projects from releasing often (I certainly feel that way), and just prevent Jakarta EE to evolve at the “desired” pace. I hope we can figure out a simpler process going forward. I don’t pretend to have a holistic view of the process to provide any actual recommendation, but my point of view, it looks unnecessary complicated.

 Thanks.

— Santiago


On Oct 24, 2020, at 9:38 AM, Ivar Grimstad <ivar.grimstad@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

No questions are dumb! ;)
I must say that I am a little unsure which review period you are referring to that has ended...

The Ballot will conclude on November 3rd. 
The proposed release date is set by the project team to October 30 in the release record. This is the date that probably should be adjusted by the project team. If it feels better, go ahead and do so.
This is the date the EMO will conclude its release review, but since it depends on the ballot, that won't happen until November 3rd.

There are so many moving parts here that I am sure there are some small inconsistencies and chicken-and-egg situations here and there. We just need to be a little pragmatic when it comes to some of the less important details.

Ivar


On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 2:55 PM Markus KARG <markus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Thank you for this information, Ivar.

Maybe this is a dumb question, but what sense does it make to end the review period earlier than the ballot period…?

-Markus

 

Von: ee4j-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ee4j-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] Im Auftrag von Ivar Grimstad
Gesendet: Samstag, 24. Oktober 2020 09:35
An: EE4J PMC Discussions
Betreff: Re: [ee4j-pmc] Jakarta REST 3.0 Review

 

 

The Ballot for release review by the Specification Committee will conclude on November 3, 2020. See this thread for progress: https://www.eclipse.org/lists/jakarta.ee-spec/msg01136.html

 

As you can see from the release record by the EMO, the status is pending, since it depends on the review mentioned above.

 

Ivar

 

On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 9:24 AM Markus KARG <markus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

The review of Jakarta REST 3.0 is over since three days. What was the result of the review?

-Markus

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