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Re: [ee4j-community] ECF Unconference

Dear all,

We have booked a room at the EC France Unconference for MicroProfile and Jakarta EE. 
What will happen in this room is definitely up to the community. We will be happy to help with promotion if you want to put together a more detailed agenda for the day. 

I think you should make sure that you keep some time for open discussion. 

The agenda for the Unconference will be published very soon on the website.

Best,
â 
GaÃl Blondelle
+33 673 392 185




On 5 Apr 2018, at 14:07, Werner Keil <werner.keil@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

James,

Would you please email Eclipse Foundation reps about it?

The March deadline for the agenda is over, so can't say if WGs and other initiatives have already booked all available rooms in the Pullman Hotel for the Unconference.

I heard about two options to attend/participate by Anne (also send an email to her if you want) at Eclipse but I mainly have to wait, if the JNoSQL talk Otavio and I proposed gets into the program or not.
Although ECF is only 2 days plus one Unconference day I cannot afford to leave my client(s) alone for a whole week, so I would only do both if say we did have a JNoSQL talk and it would be in the first half of June 13, so I could arrive for the Unconference and leave in the course of the next day. Note the Unconference has a separate fee there, about 100â with VAT so it is cheaper than any of the conference tickets.

If I mainly came there for the Unconference I'd be happy to also help organize or moderate or help other EE4J/Jakarta EE committers and/or PMC members who are there anyway. I did so in the Science WG, representing Eclipse STEM, UOMo or both or contribute to posters during a Poster Session. Can't say if they do that again this year?

Werner


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From: James Roper <james@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] ECF Unconference
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I would definitely be interested in attending a Jakarta EE unconference at
EclipseCon France.

On 4 April 2018 at 02:53, Werner Keil <werner.keil@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Heiko,
>
> Thanks for the reply and interest in helping the Unconference (I assume at
> ECE in Ludwigsburg more likely?;-)
> Take last year's ECE Unconference
> https://www.eclipsecon.org/europe2017/unconference
> as example.
>
> I guess you need a room and enough people interested in a certain topic,
> it is not as spontanous as the JavaLand "Lobby Day" I think you saw or
> heard about.
> It would be great, if it worked, and should you like to propose something
> to ECE in Ludwigsburg related to MP Metrics, I'd be happy to join in on
> that.
> Some examples e.g. Emily with another speaker who has no company name
> (either it's missing or she is an Individual committer) this time show, it
> does not hurt to have a company name, but maybe it was too soon since
> Health or Metrics were last presented.
> If there is a JNoSQL talk I can participate in or an Unconference day I
> can more easily take off, I'd be happy to go to Tolouse as well.
> Otherwise having the only Jakarta EE/Java EE talk at DWX
> https://www.developer-week.de/categories/#/category/java my June is all
> but empty when it comes to conferences;-)
>
> Werner
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 5:03 PM, <ee4j-community-request@eclipse.org>
> wrote:
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>> Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2018 16:34:20 +0200
>> From: Werner Keil <werner.keil@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: EE4J community discussions <ee4j-community@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Community Control was Jakarta EE logo
>>         selection
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>> Mike,
>>
>> As mentioned also in the separate unconference thread, Jakarta EE was very
>> underrepresented at ECF, maybe because it simply came much too late to
>> "the
>> party" for this conference or because other buzzwords like "Reactive",
>> "Responsive", "Microservices" or "Spring Boot" are more appealing than
>> Java
>> EE to the program committee.
>>
>> It would be great to see a similar Unconference day and track as many of
>> us
>> did before JavaLand on Jakarta EE and the new WG. If not in Toulouse then
>> at least in Ludwigsburg.
>>
>> Which do you see more realistic?
>>
>> Werner
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 4:28 PM, <ee4j-community-request@eclipse.org>
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>> >    1. Re: Twitter Handle (Stephanie Swart)
>> >    2. ECF Unconference (Werner Keil)
>> >    3. Re: Twitter Handle (Josh Juneau)
>> >    4. Re: Community Control was Jakarta EE logo selection
>> >       (Mike Milinkovich)
>> >
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>> > Message: 1
>> > Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2018 10:11:44 -0400
>> > From: Stephanie Swart <stephanie.swart@eclipse-foundation.org>
>> > To: EE4J community discussions <ee4j-community@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Twitter Handle
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>> >
>> > Hi Josh and all,
>> >
>> > Yes, @JakartaEE is the official Twitter handle for Jakarta EE.
>> >
>> > Thank you,
>> > Stephanie
>> >
>> > On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 9:54 AM, Josh Juneau <juneau001@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > I have seen a tweet recently from the handle @JakartaEE.  I wanted to
>> > > confirm if this is the official Twitter handle for Jakarta EE.  If so,
>> > then
>> > > I will help to spread the word about following.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks
>> > >
>> > > Josh Juneau
>> > > juneau001@xxxxxxxxx
>> > > http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
>> > > https://www.apress.com/index.php/author/author/view/id/1866
>> > >
>> > >
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>> > --
>> > *Stephanie Swart*
>> > Marketing Specialist
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>> > Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2018 16:22:52 +0200
>> > From: Werner Keil <werner.keil@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > To: EE4J community discussions <ee4j-community@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Subject: [ee4j-community] ECF Unconference
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>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Jakarta  EE may be still a bit too recent with the name only confirmed a
>> > few weeks ago, the logo not even decided on and various charters or WGs
>> not
>> > yet writen in stone either, but since EclipseCon Unconferences have been
>> > there for the community and Working Groups for a few years now, are
>> there
>> > any plans for the Jakarta EE WG at EclipseCon France Unconference?
>> > https://www.eclipsecon.org/france2018/unconference
>> >
>> > The true Java EE/Jakarta EE content among accepted sessions in the
>> > "Microsrervice/Microprofile/EE4J/Java EE" track
>> > https://www.eclipsecon.org/france2018/program/sessions/
>> > accepted?keys=&field_experience_value=All&field_
>> > session_type_tid=All&field_session_track_tid%5B%5D=1396
>> > Is extremely meager. Except JAX-RS not a single detail project,
>> everything
>> > else is MicroProfile and 3 very high level management-pitch style
>> talks. I
>> > held similar ones at JUG Meetings about Java EE 8 and the JUG members
>> were
>> > not so happy I could not go into detail about individual features of
>> Java
>> > EE 8, so judging from the abstracts none of these talks will be able to
>> do
>> > that either.
>> >
>> > I don't recall if Otavio proposed it for the (seemingly empty) Data
>> > Analytics track of ECF or also the EE4J umbrella, but our JNoSQL
>> proposal
>> > is at least on standby. Having had good experience with those
>> Unconference
>> > days both in Toulouse and Ludwigsburg I would not mind to participate in
>> > that only if we don't have the JNoSQL talk in the main conference. In
>> fact
>> > being an Individual committer I rarely get a whole week time to spend
>> there
>> > anyway instead of with clients and their work.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Werner
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>> > Message: 3
>> > Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2018 09:24:24 -0500
>> > From: Josh Juneau <juneau001@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > To: EE4J community discussions <ee4j-community@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Twitter Handle
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>> >
>> > Thanks for the response Stephanie, it is appreciated.
>> >
>> > Best
>> >
>> > Josh Juneau
>> > juneau001@xxxxxxxxx
>> > http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
>> > https://www.apress.com/index.php/author/author/view/id/1866
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 9:11 AM, Stephanie Swart <
>> > stephanie.swart@eclipse-foundation.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi Josh and all,
>> > >
>> > > Yes, @JakartaEE is the official Twitter handle for Jakarta EE.
>> > >
>> > > Thank you,
>> > > Stephanie
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 9:54 AM, Josh Juneau <juneau001@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> I have seen a tweet recently from the handle @JakartaEE.  I wanted to
>> > >> confirm if this is the official Twitter handle for Jakarta EE.  If
>> so,
>> > then
>> > >> I will help to spread the word about following.
>> > >>
>> > >> Thanks
>> > >>
>> > >> Josh Juneau
>> > >> juneau001@xxxxxxxxx
>> > >> http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
>> > >> https://www.apress.com/index.php/author/author/view/id/1866
>> > >>
>> > >>
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>> > > --
>> > > *Stephanie Swart*
>> > > Marketing Specialist
>> > > Eclipse Foundation
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>> > Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2018 10:28:00 -0400
>> > From: Mike Milinkovich <mike.milinkovich@eclipse-foundation.org>
>> > To: ee4j-community@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Community Control was Jakarta EE logo
>> >         selection
>> > Message-ID:
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>> >
>> > On 2018-04-03 9:35 AM, Werner Keil wrote:
>> > > Looking at EclipseCon France talks, you may also be affiliated or
>> > > officially representing Cybercom now rather than a non-paying
>> Individual?
>> > > https://www.eclipsecon.org/france2018/program/sessions/
>> > accepted?keys=metrics&field_experience_value=All&field_
>> > session_type_tid=All
>> > >
>> > > Based on a more corporate nature of Eclipse Foundation and its
>> > > reliance on donations also to particular projects and efforts (like
>> > > Jakarta EE) that sounds logical.
>> > > Only 2 or 3 primary speakers are not affiliated with a company which
>> > > also doesn't quite speak against the worries by Markus and other
>> > > members of the community regarding a pay-to-play (or pay-to-speak in
>> > > case of conferences) mentality.
>> > >
>> > > Of two proposals I was involved, the one Otavio (affiliated with
>> > > Tomitribe his contributions also show Tomitribe as the contributing
>> > > company) filed as primary speaker is at least still on "standby" while
>> > > the one I proposed as Individual primary speaker was turned down.
>> > >
>> > > Interestingly no dedicated Health or Metrics topic made it into the
>> > > program at all, but had e.g. Red Hat proposed one, I guess they may
>> > > have had better luck.
>> >
>> > Werner,
>> >
>> > All Eclipse Foundation conferences have independent Program Committees
>> > that are separate from the operations of the Eclipse Foundation. Their
>> > decisions about which talks are included in each conference are
>> > unrelated to any membership status. Where we have talks from our
>> > conference sponsors, they are clearly identified as such in the program.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Mike Milinkovich
>> > mike.milinkovich@eclipse-foundation.org
>> > (m) +1.613.220.3223
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>> From: "Heiko W. Rupp" <hrupp@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: "EE4J community discussions" <ee4j-community@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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>> On 3 Apr 2018, at 16:22, Werner Keil wrote:
>> > either, but since EclipseCon Unconferences have been there for the
>> > community and Working Groups for a few years now,
>>
>> I can't make it to ECF, but will for sure submit to ECE again.
>> What would it take to do/organise such a (1/2) day of unconference
>> for JakartaEE / MicroProfile?
>>
>> Thanks
>>    Heiko
>>
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