|Re: [ee4j-community] Community Control was Jakarta EE logo selection|
you miss the point that individual contributos cannot become members, and that committer members do not have the same powers than paying members have. So what you actually express is simply a commitment to the pay-to-play rules of the EF, which is exactly what I dislike most with the EF. For me, the powers in the EF should get discoupled from the payments. In fact I am willing to donate money to the EF, but I am not willing to spend thousands of dollars just to gain the same rights.
“The Community” is a broad constituency and I don’t think any of us would claim to speak for the whole of the community.
Saying that I feel I have to speak up for the Eclipse Foundation here.
The Eclipse Foundation is a small approx. $6M annual budget https://www.eclipse.org/org/foundation/reports/annual_report.php , not for profit, member supported organisation. There are many classes of membership open to both corporations, not for profits; vendors; end-users and individuals. The smallest fees for small companies is $1,500 per year to be a Solutions Member and $25,000 to be a Strategic Member with the same rights and representation as larger members. While these fees are not likely affordable for an individual, individual committers are still represented on the board and on the committees of the working group through committer elections. The Foundation’s governance is open https://www.eclipse.org/org/documents/ and ran by members in accordance with its constitution. The membership fees drive the work of the Foundation.
Therefore if members of the community wish to make the rules and have control over the Eclipse Foundation and over JakartaEE the community is free to join the Eclipse Foundation, the JakartaEE WG and/or contribute to EE4J projects. I would encourage all out there that care passionately about Jakarta EE to get involved individually if you can. Alternatively if your employer is heavily dependent on JakartaEE technologies and wants control or influence over the Eclipse Foundation ask them to become members and participate.
Saying all that EE4J projects are governed by the Eclipse Development Process https://www.eclipse.org/projects/dev_process/development_process.php through open source rules of engagement and there are no fees to join the individual projects, contribute, become a committer and drive the overall technical direction through contributions.
thanks for clarification.
I think we all would be happy if simply you could confirm that the marketing team did not do any kind of "preselection" by other criteria than just *legal* issues. In particular, they did not rule out logos due to personal taste, style, or design choice. Right?
What the community expects is to have control over Jakarta EE (in the sense of making the rules for the EF, not the EF making the rules for the community). This includes that the EF asks the community *before* the EF acts. And with "community" I do not mean "only paying vendors" but also the majority of committers (even non-member committers).
On 2018-03-23 4:27 PM, Jason Greene wrote:
Is the concern more that there will be too few options and you guys might not like the options, or is it that there is some nefarious purpose? If it’s the latter what would they have to gain?
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