Hi Scott (or anyone else),
Do you know how to get Google Calendar to email invitations to you
for events on your calendar?
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All,
The link to the calendar is here. <http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=d8e00497ursindhc63t40blv94%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=America/Chicago
>
You can also see the calendar in the EclipseCon wiki here <https://www.eclipsecon.org/wiki/EclipseCon_2009_Planning
>. If you have forgotten your user name it is in the form
FirstLastname and it is case sensitive.
Here is a picture of the calendar.
Scott
Schaefer, Doug wrote:
I've lost track of our call schedule as well. Could someone forward
it for us.
Thanks,
Doug
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I have somehow got myself completely out of sorts -- was there not
supposed to be a call this morning? I was on, but it did not seem
to happen.
I just assumed that Business & Industry were 3 hours each, so a
total of 6h. Last year there were only a few shorts, and it
didn't seem to attract many folks. Given the reduction in the
program, going from 7 (5biz+2ind) to 6 didn't seem bad to me,
given I still think we have 50% too many talks allocated. ;-)
- Don
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Kevin,
Nice pickup there. Originally there were two categories: one for
Business, another for Industry. Somewhere along the line I
transposed or collapsed the categories. For some reason I thought
that each category had 5 shorts and 2 longs for a total of 6 hours
of Bus. & Ind.
I would propose taking one long talk from TPTP and giving it to
Business & Industry. Does that make it better? Does anyone else
have a long talk that they would like to donate to business and
industry?
Scott
Kevin McGuire wrote:
(btw, that email was queued since last week but was travelling and
couldn't get access to email, so sorry it came after the call)
Agree. The allocations need to reflect:
1) the topics for which people will submit talks
2) what is of interest to the community
I've never done this before, but I wonder though if there's a
tendency to fill the time allocations.
Wrt the business track, the one talk I went to was packed beyond
capacity (Tim Wagner's). What I liked about his talk was that it
got me thinking of something I wouldn't have otherwise. This happy
surprise learning is what I always hope for in a conference.
We're a technical crowd for sure but we all also make a living at
it, so if the talks are quality then I'd imagine some interest is
there (and Tim's suggests there is). Plus there's lots in the
community, some on this very mail list, who consult, do courses,
etc., so its not like we don't have people with a (vested)
business interest on the floor already.
EclipseWorld is a whole other thing and many of us don't go. I'd
just like to ensure that we're not accidentally missing out on
another important aspect of Eclipse, one which is essential to its
long term health. As an aside, sometimes I think we regard
"business" as a dirty word in Eclipse!
With such a small allocation, I wonder if its self fulfilling, and
we subconsciously don't encourage the submissions of this topic?
(Again, new at this, and no slight intended to the past owners of
this topic).
Kevin
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yeah, it is hard to get these allocations right. One approach is
to treat the current numbers as guidelines/current thinking. With
the global focus on having really great talks, there is no point,
for example, in accepting mediocre talks just because well ahead
time we thought it would be good to have N hours of topic T.
Jeff
Ed Merks wrote:
Kevin,
I agree with some of the concerns about allocations. But I know
that the reporting newsgroup has among the highest traffic of all
the newsgroups while SOA and TPTP seem to generate only a trickle.
I'm not sure that's a reflective of how many folks would turn out
for related talks though. Chris and I did a committer track talk
last year and the turnout was quite small. If slots are in short
supply, ones focused on technical material seem to be a better
use, in my opinion. I also agree with you about the business
thing, but I wonder about the conference audience itself. For
example, I imagine that Eclipse World would have a much larger
draw to a business track focus while EclipseCon has a much smaller
business crowd to draw on. I have no real factual basis for that
comment though. Perhaps we've done surveys about the demographics
of the audience? There's no point in having business-focused
talks if the geeks stay away in droves. I get the sense that C++
is extremely popular (again from the newsgroup traffic) but I
wonder about it being equal to that of Java. At the same time, is
there all that much to say about Java that hasn't been said?
I suppose that for any of these things, if the slots are really
over allocated, that will become clear by the number of quality
submissions; unused slots will be obviously redistributed...
Kevin McGuire wrote:
* I'm happy with Platform ext and Platform int.
* I like the broad categorizations.
* The overall ext splits seems good
* 8hrs seems a lot for Reporting which is just one specific
area (e.g. compared to SOA at 9hr which could be massive).
Same comment for Test and Performance at 10.
* Note sure what happens in 8hrs for committer and
contributor, seems high.
* Meanwhile, business and industry seems under represented at
mere 3hrs, which could be quite broad. Eclipse is only
successful if it can be applied commercially (so we can all
continue to get paid :>). I'm thinking things like success
stories or challenges in building commercial Eclipse based
applications, industry comparisons and trends, etc. Is the
issue here of audience, or that we tend not to get
submissions in this area?
Overall happy, the only one I feel at all strongly about is
Business and Industry.
Kevin
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All,
I think we reached consensus that it would be a good idea to have
a simplified version of the external description of the EclipseCon
categories. I have re-worked the category descriptions a bit and
filled in some misses from the first round. The re-worked
categories are up on the spread-sheet
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plus I have just copied them into the email for your convenience.
At this point, I just want to work with total hours of
presentation time, once we get agreement that the categories are
correctly named and we have the allocations appropriately
balanced, I will take a stab at the Tutorial, Long, Main Stage,
and Short Talk allocations. If you feel your category is not
getting appropriate representation, now is the time to speak up.
NOTE: I added 8 hours to the total to take in account the addition
of the Linux DevCon
Additional questions:
1) Do the External Category Descriptions (first column in *Bold*)
make sense?
2) Do we have the right balance between the various External
Categories?
3) Did I miss any internal categories? 4) Do the internal
category names make sense?
5) Is the balance good for the internal categories?
Finally, I wanted to share a personal milestone with all of you.
Today was our last big "First Day Of School". Both of my kids,
Sam (pre-k) and Louise (1st grade) are now in school. Like most
proud parents we had to take a picture, nice photo except for the
goon in the blue shirt.
scott
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