I
have somehow got myself completely out of sorts – was there not
supposed to be a call this morning? I was on, but it did not seem to
happen.
I
just assumed that Business & Industry were 3 hours each, so a total
of 6h. Last year there were only a few shorts, and it didn’t seem to
attract many folks. Given the reduction in the program, going from 7
(5biz+2ind) to 6 didn’t seem bad to me, given I still think we have 50%
too many talks allocated. ;-)
-
Don
Kevin,
Nice pickup there. Originally there were two categories: one for
Business, another for Industry. Somewhere along the line I transposed
or collapsed the categories. For some reason I thought that each
category had 5 shorts and 2 longs for a total of 6 hours of Bus. &
Ind.
I would propose taking one long talk from TPTP and giving it to
Business & Industry. Does that make it better? Does anyone else
have a long talk that they would like to donate to business and
industry?
Scott
Kevin McGuire wrote:
(btw,
that email was queued since last week but was travelling and couldn't
get access to email, so sorry it came after the call)
Agree.
The allocations need to reflect:
1)
the topics for which people will submit talks
2)
what is of interest to the community
I've
never done this before, but I wonder though if there's a tendency to
fill the time allocations.
Wrt
the business track, the one talk I went to was packed beyond capacity
(Tim Wagner's). What I liked about his talk was that it got me
thinking of something I wouldn't have otherwise. This happy surprise
learning is what I always hope for in a conference. We're a technical
crowd for sure but we all also make a living at it, so if the talks are
quality then I'd imagine some interest is there (and Tim's suggests
there is). Plus there's lots in the community, some on this very mail
list, who consult, do courses, etc., so its not like we don't have
people with a (vested) business interest on the floor already.
EclipseWorld
is a whole other thing and many of us don't go. I'd just like to ensure
that we're not accidentally missing out on another important aspect of
Eclipse, one which is essential to its long term health. As an aside,
sometimes I think we regard "business" as a dirty word in Eclipse!
With
such a small allocation, I wonder if its self fulfilling, and we
subconsciously don't encourage the submissions of this topic? (Again,
new at this, and no slight intended to the past owners of this topic).
Kevin
yeah, it is hard to get these allocations right. One approach is to
treat the current numbers as guidelines/current thinking. With the
global focus on having really great talks, there is no point, for
example, in accepting mediocre talks just because well ahead time we
thought it would be good to have N hours of topic T.
Jeff
Ed Merks wrote:
Kevin,
I agree with some of the concerns about allocations. But I know that
the reporting newsgroup has among the highest traffic of all the
newsgroups while SOA and TPTP seem to generate only a trickle. I'm not
sure that's a reflective of how many folks would turn out for related
talks though. Chris and I did a committer track talk last year and the
turnout was quite small. If slots are in short supply, ones focused on
technical material seem to be a better use, in my opinion. I also
agree with you about the business thing, but I wonder about the
conference audience itself. For example, I imagine that Eclipse World
would have a much larger draw to a business track focus while
EclipseCon has a much smaller business crowd to draw on. I have no
real factual basis for that comment though. Perhaps we've done surveys
about the demographics of the audience? There's no point in having
business-focused talks if the geeks stay away in droves. I get the
sense that C++ is extremely popular (again from the newsgroup traffic)
but I wonder about it being equal to that of Java. At the same time,
is there all that much to say about Java that hasn't been said?
I suppose that for any of these things, if the slots are really over
allocated, that will become clear by the number of quality submissions;
unused slots will be obviously redistributed...
Kevin McGuire wrote:
- I'm happy
with Platform ext and Platform int.
- I like the
broad categorizations.
- The
overall ext splits seems good
- 8hrs seems
a lot for Reporting which is just one specific area (e.g. compared to
SOA at 9hr which could be massive). Same comment for Test and
Performance at 10.
- Note sure
what happens in 8hrs for committer and contributor, seems high.
- Meanwhile,
business and industry seems under represented at mere 3hrs, which could
be quite broad. Eclipse is only successful if it can be applied
commercially (so we can all continue to get paid :>). I'm thinking
things like success stories or challenges in building commercial
Eclipse based applications, industry comparisons and trends, etc. Is
the issue here of audience, or that we tend not to get submissions in
this area?
Overall happy, the only one I feel at all strongly about is Business
and Industry.
Kevin
All,
I think we reached consensus that it would be a good idea to have a
simplified version of the external description of the EclipseCon
categories. I have re-worked the category descriptions a bit and
filled in some misses from the first round. The re-worked categories
are up on the spread-sheet
plus I have just copied them into the email for your convenience.
At this point, I just want to work with total hours of presentation
time, once we get agreement that the categories are correctly named and
we have the allocations appropriately balanced, I will take a stab at
the Tutorial, Long, Main Stage, and Short Talk allocations. If you
feel your category is not getting appropriate representation, now is
the time to speak up.
NOTE: I added 8 hours to the total to take in account the addition of
the Linux DevCon
Additional questions:
1) Do the External Category Descriptions (first column in Bold)
make sense?
2) Do we have the right balance between the various External Categories?
3) Did I miss any internal categories?
4) Do the internal category names make sense?
5) Is the balance good for the internal categories?
Finally, I wanted to share a personal milestone with all of you. Today
was our last big "First Day Of School". Both of my kids, Sam (pre-k)
and Louise (1st grade) are now in school. Like most proud parents we
had to take a picture, nice photo except for the goon in the blue shirt.
scott
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