Re: [eclipse.org-eclipsecon-program-committee] Minutes from Today

[David M Williams <david_williams@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Bjorn, 

To me, it's more important than covering
a 2 hour period, since many people will be in tutorials continuously (that
is, 4,  2 hour sessions in a row). 
And, I think, some of them at least
have a bit of hands on time near the end? And, even if they don't have
hands on, no one likes to go without power for 
8 hours :) 

I would think that since tutorials are
now (only) two hours, then yes, might be worth one free registration, instead
of two. 

But, before that happened, how much
would the registration fee have to be increased? $20? Seems the error was
made in setting the price initially, so, how would similar such forgotten
things normally be covered? I'd guess the EMO would go into "debt"
and make it up next year? (by charging $40 additional). I think that should
be plan A. 

As plan B, I assume you've already played
hardball with the conference organizers?  ... telling them for example,
if they don't offer it to you for a reasonable price of, say, $5000, then
a) many people will bring their own and that could cause a safety hazard?
and b) you'll be less likely to use their services next year? And, c) what
if you offered to buy new power strips and hire your own electricians?
Seems that could be done for $5000! Not that I would know! 

Thanks for explaining and looking into
this further.

Bjorn Freeman-Benson <bjorn.freeman-benson@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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EclipseCon PC members,
Power bars for all the tutorials is $25,000.  It seems outrageous,
but that's what the convention center charged us the last time we had power
bars for all tutorials. And that money has to come from somewhere - either
we raise the registration price (sort of awkward to do now that we've published
it) or we take the money from some other Eclipse program. Thus it would
be $25,000 we couldn't spend on something else important to the Eclipse
community, for example, more download bandwidth or part of the salary for
one of our IP people or receptions at project meetings (like the CDT and
Equinox summits) or free registrations for EclipseCon presenters. Is it
really worth $25,000?  Or, to be more precise, would we be willing
to change:

• tutorials get two free registrations

to:

• tutorials get ONE free registration and power bars

??

The logic behind not having power bars in the session rooms is (besides
the price), "how much hands on work can we really expect in a two
hour tutorial?" When it's a half day (four hours) or all day (eight
hours), I can understand wanting to have lots of hands-on exercises during
the tutorial - but in two hours is there really going to be that much hands
on activity that requires a computer to be on all the time?  The feedback
we've received from attendees in the past is that a two hour tutorial is
just a very long talk and that there really isn't time to do any serious
programming and that they wishes the speakers didn't try to do exercises
in that short time because they just spent all their time fiddling with
the computer and not learning anything.

Comments?

Gaff, Doug wrote:

• Bjorn: Will the tutorials will have power bars? We need them.

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