Re: [eclipse.org-architecture-council] Next Meeting?

[Lars Vogel <lars.vogel@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 1:37 PM, Jay Jay Billings
<jayjaybillings@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> What I mean is that Eclipse is very slow to start.

Compared to Eclipse Mars, we did improve the startup time for Eclipse
Neon significantly. But there is still room for improvement. One
potential big improvement is to remove the eager activation of PDE and
JDT during startup, this is discussed in
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=477578

On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 1:37 PM, Jay Jay Billings
<jayjaybillings@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> What I mean is that Eclipse is very slow to start. Lots of people who use
> little editors over Eclipse cite that as their reason.
>
> I personally don't get it because once I turn Eclipse on I don't shut it
> down for weeks, but this is what they tell me.
>
> Jay
>
> On Mar 30, 2016 3:01 AM, "Max Rydahl Andersen" <manderse@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> On 29 Mar 2016, at 11:40, Jay Jay Billings wrote:
>>
>> Yes... "once it is running..." That's the whole point.
>>
>> You'll need to clarify since the above is ambiguous to me.
>>
>> That could mean because eclipse is too slow to start it makes sense to
>> make it have better support for lots of file formats.
>>
>> OR
>>
>> Could mean because once eclipse is running it is fast and is simply
>> missing better support for lots of file formats.
>>
>> I'm in the latter camp. I would use eclipse more if it could actually open
>> more file formats. Even if on first start its slower than vi/emacs to start.
>>
>> /max
>>
>> Jay
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Max Rydahl Andersen manderse@xxxxxxxxxx
>> wrote:
>>
>> On 28 Mar 2016, at 22:05, Mickael Istria wrote:
>>
>> On 03/29/2016 12:11 AM, Jay Jay Billings wrote:
>>
>> Mickael,
>>
>> For my part, I agree with all of what you wrote. However, what I see as
>> important are the speed and minimalism of Vi and Sublime. Everyone I know
>> who uses those tools over Eclipse cite those reasons. I don't think it is
>> beyond reason to address those issues.
>>
>> Are speed and minimalism really criteria on which Eclipse IDE can compete
>> with Vim and Eclipse? IMO, it's just not a battle Eclipse IDE can win, by
>> design.
>>
>> It can. once eclipse is running eclipse is just as fast.
>>
>> we have to stop this thinking that Eclipse is slow. it is not.
>> If it is its a bug!
>>
>> Unless you start installing plugins that thinks its okey to do a ton
>> of background work even though the user have not asked for it.
>>
>> /max
>>
>> --
>> Mickael Istria
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