Re: [eclipse-pmc] New Top Level Project Charter

[Wayne Beaton <wayne.beaton@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I have engaged the Eclipse Planning Council regarding the name of the simultaneous release and corresponding products.

FWIW, the updates that I've proposed to the charter expand the scope of the project to reflect the reality that it's not about just tools. "Eclipse IDE" would be a misnomer for the TLP.

This exercise is concerned with finding a name for the Top Level Project, not the products of EPP. You're probably right that the name selection won't have much of an impact on the day-to-day work of the project or manifest in anything more significant than the about dialog.

This request is a step in a process. That the "Eclipse Project" is a violation of our trademark policy put it in first place. The Eclipse Tools TLP is on my list for a charter update and will likely be well-served by a name update as well. Since that project's charter focuses on tools that extend the Eclipse Platform, I'll likely propose that leverage the hard work that you folks do for their name upgrade (e.g. "Eclipse Placeholder Tools Project"). I haven't put any thought yet into what (if anything) we need to do about "Eclipse Technology".

Wayne

On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 10:50 AM Mickael Istria <mistria@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 4:35 PM Wayne Beaton <wayne.beaton@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

All project names are claimed as trademarks of the Eclipse Foundation with the potential for us to seek registration. This is always a requirement.
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We can parse language all we want, but a project named "Eclipse SDK" is effectively a project named "Eclipse" ("Which SDK is it? Why, it's the Eclipse SDK") .and this is a violation of the trademark guidelines.

What about Eclipse Tools and Eclipse Technology projects then? Trademark? Which tool?...

If the final goal is to change the public facing name of what people call Eclipse IDE, then bugging the Eclipse TLP to do that is the wrong lever. The visible name "Eclipse IDE" is defined and used in the Technology.EPP project and is not under the influence of the Eclipse TLP.

The TLP are mostly technical and internal names in the community when it comes to shipping the IDE, no end-users cares about it. I don't think enforcing "rebranding" of the TLP is bringing anything but low added-value work for EMO and noise/no added-value disturbance for contributors.

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