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RE: [eclipse-pmc] Documenting dependencieson operatingsystems andJRE's
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hm.. both your points are good in isolation, but then I
remembered
Eclipse 3.4 was "unavailable on QNX because there was no
1.5 J2SE for QNX".
Anyways I suggest not putting too much effort into this,
and going with your original list since that roughly conveys what an adopter
needs to do anything useful with the deliverables of the Eclipse project (e.g.
write an SWT app on QNX on J2SE-1.4).
Maritn
For the JRE, I think you have a good
point and we should probably just declare Java 5 rather than 1.4.2. I was
thinking that some of our downloads actually still work on lower versions, but
on further thought I don't think that's important. I.e., it is possible to run
SWT on 1.4.2 but I think it's sufficient to just say our project has a
pre-requisite on Java 5 to cover all the bases here. For QNX, I don't actually know the version but I can
attempt to find that out. We do actually still build and deliver SWT for QNX
every day, for example: http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/drops/I20100119-0800/download.php?dropFile=swt-I20100119-0800-photon-qnx-x86.zip
It is not a reference platform because it
only runs SWT rather than the entire platform, but we do build and ship it so
thought I might as well throw it in the list... John
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Perfectly prepared, as always - I bow to you, John :)
+1 for
going the path of least resistance and work on this one, your list makes perfect
sense. Except I'm still surprised about QNX, it's neither a reference platform
nor on the list of ZIPs we build... ... and it's odd declaring a pre-req on J2SE-1.4 when the current list of
reference platforms does not include any J2SE-1.4 one any more. Perhaps we should continue running
automated tests on ONE J2SE-1.4
platform and declare that as reference too? Martin
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Subject: RE: [eclipse-pmc] Documenting
dependencies on operatingsystems andJRE's
Yes, I have had contact
with the EMO and they advised me to enter the CQ's. I don't just invent work for
myself ;)
I also
don't see much point in documenting the obvious and don't see the particular
risk, but it seemed easier to just enter a blanket CQ with this list than to
debate it with them further. We do have CQ's for specific windowing and
browser libraries we invoke such as GTK, Mozilla, etc, but we don't currently
document our references to the core operating system itself. Since it appears to
be acceptable, I prefer just saying a general dependency like "Windows XP"
rather than further listing specific OS libraries we invoke. I made the
suggestion that they publish a list of "pre-approved" exempt pre-requisites for
the most obvious things (operating systems, JREs), so that projects don't have
this additional hoop to jump through.
I gathered the list below from looking at our most
recent integration build. I'm not attempting to capture historical information,
but just what we intend to reference in the Helios release.
John
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Hi
John,
have you had contact with the EMO already regarding this "documenting
exempt pre-reqs"
process? As per the policy you cited, the policy is only meant as a
"framework for interpretation".
So before we go into great lengths entering
CQ's which are hard to keep exact, let's ensure we
know what is really needed. I
personally do not see much value in documenting the obvious.
For instance, in terms
of the Linux kernel, do we already document pre-reqs like X Window,
GTK+, ... or, what was the
last version of Eclipse that was actually known to run on QNX?
Where should we start and
where should we end?
In my understanding, the policy was made to ensure that
commercial adopters of Eclipse
technology are not forced into downloading / bundling
dubious additional software that is
nowhere documented. In terms of the OS and core UI libs, I
do not see such a risk.
Martin
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Subject: [eclipse-pmc] Documenting
dependencies on operating systems andJRE's
It has come to my attention that we must enter
CQ's for all dependencies on third party software that we reference, including
operating systems and JRE's [1]. I had previously thought that exempt pre-reqs
didn't require a CQ. Furthermore, the policy says:
"These discussions and decisions
must occur transparently either via email on the public PMC mailing list, or in
the minutes of meetings distributed to the public PMC mailing list."
I am writing this email to
satisfy the above requirement. I would like to declare an "exempt pre-req"
dependency for the Eclipse project on the following:
Windows (CE, XP, Vista, or
7)
Linux Kernel
2.6
Mac OS X 10.5 or
greater
Sun Solaris
10 or greater
HPUX
11i v2 or greater
IBM AIX 5.3 or greater
QNX Photon
Java Runtime Environment 1.4.2 or greater
Since the CQ deadline for
Helios is Feb. 5th, I'd like to submit a CQ for these as soon as possible.
Please respond here with any comments, concerns, additions, or corrections. If I
hear no objections or corrections before February 1st, I will assume all is well
and I will enter the CQ.
John
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