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Re: [eclipse-dev] Lightweight M1 for September release
Hi,

I am not sure if the Prolog plug-in is working, since I can't configure it to function with a Prolog compiler like XSB that I had installed.  Could somebody fix it. And the Julia plug-in project does not seem to exist at all. Help needed there too.  

Anyway, I believe you guys are talking about turning Eclipse into a component based IDE, is that correct? Well, then would it resemble RAD Tools such as VS IDE, Lazarus, Delphi? And what about the possibility of Microsoft adding its own Java distribution into the VS IDE, will it happen in the next two years?

Warm Regards,


--- Andrew Goh



On Friday, 6 May 2022, 05:38:08 pm SGT, Александър Куртаков <akurtakov@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:




On Fri, May 6, 2022 at 12:01 PM Wim Jongman <wim.jongman@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Oomph is wonderful technology to get people bootstrapped for working on the project. I still feel it is underestimated by the core developers how this can really lower the boundary for new developers,

I second that. We have developers working on BIRT and WindowBuilder in 15 minutes.


Oomph is wonderful technology and no one of the "core" developers ever was against its usage or setups (AFAIR) so please help us by fixing setups, writing help docs and etc.
Just understand that it's not helpful for people actually assembling the bits, fixing/improving maven/tycho builds, preparing docker images for build machines, keeping Jenkins jobs working - in order to do that work proper one (I at least) needs as pristine and minimal environment as possible BUT this doesn't mean underestimating Oomph in any way.

 


On Thu, 5 May 2022 at 10:57, Rolf Theunissen <rolf.theunissen@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
AFAIK, Ed already provides an Oomph setup that installs the nightly for the platform SDK, select the platform SDK product. Just run update every day and you are good to go. Even there is a page on the wiki which tells you how to do it.

Oomph is wonderful technology to get people bootstrapped for working on the project. I still feel it is underestimated by the core developers how this can really lower the boundary for new developers, but also power users could make a (customized) setup that runs in 1 click that gives a fully bootstrapped environment, e.g. latest nightly all additional plugins used and all projects cloned.

Rolf

Op ma 2 mei 2022 21:35 schreef Hannes Wellmann <wellmann.hannes1@xxxxxxx>:
The argument that it would help more if committers and others would use the I-builds regularly helps more than having freeze-weeks during milestones is pretty convincing for me. But I agree that it would be good if as many people as possible would use the I-builds.
I think the I-builds would be simpler to use (and then used more) if they could be consumed via Oomph. I'm thinking of a Product version like 'Nightly' that one can select besides 'Latest' or 'Latest Released'.
But I'm not sure if this is feasible (without too much work) since the Products are assembled by EPP and the I-builds only handle the Eclipse-SDK. But maybe the Nightly could simple consist of the latest (milestone) release repos plus the current I-Build repo of the Eclipse-SDK.
 
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Von: "Mickael Istria" <mistria@xxxxxxxxxx>
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Betreff: Re: [eclipse-dev] Lightweight M1 for September release
 
 
On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 5:02 PM Andrey Loskutov <loskutov@xxxxxx> wrote:
I would rather (once again) raise the awareness of the active committers about "eating your own dog food" and use the milestone week to actually try the latest greatest nightly builds.
 
I agree that committers, and more, need to use the nightly builds and that it is a critical part of the project quality process. However, do we need a dedicated milestone week for that? Would there be some other/better way of achieving that result? And if we have some guarantees that all active committers are using nightly builds anyway, do we need a milestone/freeze week or can we assume that most developers using latest build is enough to find most issues? If not, what is missing for us to find such issues as part of our daily work?
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