RE: [eclipse-dev] Is there any interest in a committers forum?

["Mike Milinkovich" <mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Well, I will take (2 x -0.5) as equal to -1     :-)

 

The eclipse.org committer list is a moderated list which includes all of the committers on Eclipse projects. It is labeled "eclipse.org" because it is not associated with any particular project. I don't know why it is not listed on the mailing list page. I am guessing that's an oversight we can easily fix.

 

To date the eclipse.org-committers list has only been a "feed" from the Foundation to the committers. But AFAIK there is no reason why it cannot be used by committers to raise issues and have discussion which span projects.

 

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From: eclipse-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:eclipse-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jeff McAffer
Sent: September 20, 2005 10:36 PM
To: General development mailing list of the Eclipse project.
Subject: RE: [eclipse-dev] Is there any interest in a committers forum?

What is the intended use of the eclipse.org-committers mailing list? (why is it "eclipse.org"-committers anyway?)  I only ever get messages from Bjorn on that channel and have never tried posting there.  It does not even appear on the mailing list page.

The problems John outlines with eclipse-dev and platform-dev are partially because the formal top-level project for the platform, JDT and PDE is called "Eclipse".  So by convention the mailing list is eclipse-dev just as the Tools project list is tools-dev.  platform-dev is analogous to jdt-dev in that it is the general list for the Platform SUB-project of the Eclipse project.  All this to agree that it is confusing and the fact that people talk about the Eclipse project as "the Platform" just overloads my frontal lobe.

Again, I must agree with John.  The creation of yet another forum (mailing list or newsgroup) is not going to solve this problem.  We would be better off fixing what we have (shuffling as suggested or understanding what's up with the current commiter mailing list etc.).  To address the mailing list vs newsgroup debate, surely in this day there is some way of presenting a forum as both?

Jeff

John Arthorne/Ottawa/IBM@IBMCA
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09/20/2005 06:35 PM

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It's currently true that there is no general forum for Eclipse committers across all Eclipse projects.  However the current convention, for whatever reason, is that Eclipse mailing lists are for committers while newsgroups are for the entire community.  Thus, I will risk reopening the "mailing list vs. newsgroup" debate by suggesting that a mailing list makes more sense than a newsgroup for this kind of forum.

According to the mailing lists page, eclipse-dev is for the platform project, which as Randy pointed out isn't particularly intuitive.  I would suggest moving eclipse-dev to the "Eclipse General" category on the mailing lists page, officially making it a forum for committers on all projects.  There is already a platform-dev mailing list for communication among committers on the platform project, although it is currently unused by committers because it is overwhelmed by user questions.  Moderating that list in the same way eclipse-dev is moderated would be needed to make that list useful again (only moderating non-committer messages).

In short, I already think we have enough committer mailing lists, but we could tweak their stated audiences to make much better use of the ones we already have. Having said all that, I won't vote "-1" on a committer newsgroup, if there are people who prefer that format who would make use of it.

John

"Mike Milinkovich" <mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Before we go ahead and do this, I would like to take a straw poll to see if committers actually want such a committer newsgroup. I would personally welcome such a forum, but I think it's worthwhile to ensure it will get used.

 

If we get three +1's and no -1's, we will go ahead and set it up.

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It sounds like the consensus is that eclipse.org should consider opening an 'eclipse.committers' newsgroup, and if they do that then EclipseZone will mirror it to a forum for web-based access.

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From: eclipse-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:eclipse-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Randy Hudson
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 4:39 PM
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Subject: RE: [eclipse-dev] Is there any interest in a committers forum?

I think you're on to something useful. There is definitely a lack of coordination in areas such as build, testing, and performance, which is something all project teams could collaborate on.
However, this mailing list is for the "Eclipse Project", which as the name implies (tongue-in-cheek) is just the core SDK and not all Eclipse projects/committers.
BTW, why aren't GEF and other projects shown on the eclipsezone forum?  Is Eclipsezone part of Eclipse.org now, or am I thinking of something else?

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