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RE: [eclipse-dev] Is there any interest in a committers forum?
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What is the intended use of the eclipse.org-committers
mailing list? (why is it "eclipse.org"-committers anyway?) I
only ever get messages from Bjorn on that channel and have never tried
posting there. It does not even appear on the mailing list page.
The problems John outlines with eclipse-dev
and platform-dev are partially because the formal top-level project for
the platform, JDT and PDE is called "Eclipse". So by convention
the mailing list is eclipse-dev just as the Tools project list is tools-dev.
platform-dev is analogous to jdt-dev in that it is the general list
for the Platform SUB-project of the Eclipse project. All this to
agree that it is confusing and the fact that people talk about the Eclipse
project as "the Platform" just overloads my frontal lobe.
Again, I must agree with John. The
creation of yet another forum (mailing list or newsgroup) is not going
to solve this problem. We would be better off fixing what we have
(shuffling as suggested or understanding what's up with the current commiter
mailing list etc.). To address the mailing list vs newsgroup debate,
surely in this day there is some way of presenting a forum as both?
Jeff
John Arthorne/Ottawa/IBM@IBMCA
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It's currently true that there is no general forum for Eclipse committers
across all Eclipse projects. However the current convention, for
whatever reason, is that Eclipse mailing lists are for committers while
newsgroups are for the entire community. Thus, I will risk reopening
the "mailing list vs. newsgroup" debate by suggesting that a
mailing list makes more sense than a newsgroup for this kind of forum.
According to the mailing lists page, eclipse-dev is for the platform project,
which as Randy pointed out isn't particularly intuitive. I would
suggest moving eclipse-dev to the "Eclipse General" category
on the mailing lists page, officially making it a forum for committers
on all projects. There is already a platform-dev mailing list for
communication among committers on the platform project, although it is
currently unused by committers because it is overwhelmed by user questions.
Moderating that list in the same way eclipse-dev is moderated would
be needed to make that list useful again (only moderating non-committer
messages).
In short, I already think we have enough committer mailing lists, but we
could tweak their stated audiences to make much better use of the ones
we already have. Having said all that, I won't vote "-1" on a
committer newsgroup, if there are people who prefer that format who would
make use of it.
John
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Before we go ahead and do this,
I would like to take a straw poll to see if committers actually want such
a committer newsgroup. I would personally welcome such a forum, but I think
it's worthwhile to ensure it will get used.
If we get three +1's and no -1's,
we will go ahead and set it up.
<snip>
It sounds like the consensus is
that eclipse.org should consider opening an 'eclipse.committers' newsgroup,
and if they do that then EclipseZone will mirror it to a forum for web-based
access.
From: eclipse-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:eclipse-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Randy Hudson
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 4:39 PM
To: General development mailing list of the Eclipse project.
Subject: RE: [eclipse-dev] Is there any interest in a committers forum?
I think you're on to something useful.
There is definitely a lack of coordination in areas such as build, testing,
and performance, which is something all project teams could collaborate
on.
However, this mailing list is for the "Eclipse Project", which
as the name implies (tongue-in-cheek) is just the core SDK and not all
Eclipse projects/committers.
BTW, why aren't GEF and other projects shown on the eclipsezone forum?
Is Eclipsezone part of Eclipse.org now, or am I thinking of something
else?
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