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Re: [e4-dev] Introduction::UFace, PMF & Flowr
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Before EclipseCon is impossible for me.
Tom
Jim van Dam schrieb:
> Olivier,
>
> Of course I completely agree with Amsterdam as the perfect place to meet ;-)
> To be fair Olivier, if nobody else will come and it's just the two of us before EclipseCon we could meet halfway in Belgium.
> Tom/Hallvard, are you able to come to Amsterdam for a weekend?
>
> Regards,
>
> Jim
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: e4-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:e4-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf Of Olivier Moïses
>> Sent: dinsdag 10 februari 2009 14:38
>> To: E4 Project developer mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [e4-dev] Introduction::UFace, PMF & Flowr
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Having a meeting together before EclipseCon sounds really good for me.
>> Due to business constrainsts, I'd hugely prefer having this meeting
>> during a weekend instead of usual working days (I know, everybody works
>> also during the weekend !! :-) ).
>> Regarding the meeting location, I suggest Amsterdam wich is easily
>> reachable by plane, train, car, boat, etc...
>>
>> Olivier
>>
>> PS: Hallvard, I'd like to visit Norway, but for this I guess I need
>> more
>> than 1 or 2 days ;-)
>>
>> Jim van Dam a écrit :
>>> Hi Hallvard/All,
>>>
>>>
>>>>> And Jim, Norway is a wonderful place to ski, although it is still a
>> bit
>>>>> early with short days. What kind of skiiing do you do, downhill or
>> snowboard?
>>> Downhill, but currently it is mostly son-to-son ( I have four sons
>> aged 2-5-7-9).
>>> In the past I visited Norway (Oslo and south coast) and liked it very
>> much.
>>> Does everyone have time to meet before EclipseCon and what week would
>> be best?
>>> For me week 9-12 is ok except March 3rd and 16th.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: e4-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:e4-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Hallvard Trætteberg
>>>> Sent: maandag 9 februari 2009 22:08
>>>> To: E4 Project developer mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [e4-dev] Introduction::UFace, PMF & Flowr
>>>>
>>>> Jim van Dam wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Next week I'll be skiing (Switzerland not Austria, sorry Tom), but
>>>>> after that I am willing to travel to any of the four countries or
>>>>> welcome you in the Netherlands before EclipseCon to get things
>> kicked
>>>> off.
>>>>
>>>> I will not be able to go to EclipseCon, but I would be very happy to
>>>> attend a
>>>> "local" European Declarative UI meeting later this year.
>>>>
>>>> And Jim, Norway is a wonderful place to ski, although it is still a
>> bit
>>>> early
>>>> with short days. What kind of skiiing do you do, downhill or
>> snowboard?
>>>> Hallvard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Jim
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Tom Schindl [mailto:tom.schindl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>>>> Sent: maandag 9 februari 2009 15:05
>>>>>> To: Robert Wloch
>>>>>> Cc: jim van dam; tom herrmann; helmar behrends
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [e4-dev] Introduction::UFace, PMF & Flowr
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It looks like we are all located in Western Europe (Netherlands,
>>>>>> Germany, Austria) so we should maybe be able to arrange a meeting
>>>>>> somewhere in the middle (presumably after EclipseCon).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In fact even when looking at the greater circle of Declarative UI
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> it looks Europe rules in this area:
>>>>>> - Hallvard Trætteberg - Norway
>>>>>> - Olivier Moïses - France
>>>>>> - Angelo Zerr - France
>>>>>> - Yves Yang - France
>>>>>> - Jim Van Dam - Netherlands
>>>>>> - Tom Herrmann - Germany (assumed)
>>>>>> - Helmar Behrends - Germany (assumed)
>>>>>> - Robert Wloch - Germany
>>>>>> - Tom Schindl - Austria
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At least Jim, Olivier, Yves and me are at EclipseCon and can meet
>>>>>>
>>>> there
>>>>
>>>>>> (I'll arrive Friday evening and stay at Hilton).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We could meet somewhere in the middle to kick off the
>> collabortation
>>>> -
>>>>
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> think we need to meet in person to get the collaboration started.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have no problem traveling to Germany/Netherlands/... but you
>> could
>>>>>> also come to Austria if you'd like to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Robert Wloch schrieb:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tom, Jim,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm glad you both see the same opportunity on collaboration here!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unfortunately I won't be at the EclipseCon and it won't be
>> possible
>>>> for
>>>>
>>>>>> me to attend either, as I'll be at the MDD&PL 2009 in the very
>> same
>>>>>> week. So what's your suggestion for a get together? I'll also CC
>> Tom
>>>>>> Herrmann and Helmar Behrends from the Flowr team, as they'd be
>>>>>> interested in a common talk, too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- "Jim van Dam" <jim.van.dam@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello Rob,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rob> > I've taken a look at UFace and PMF during the past days
>> and
>>>>>>>> both
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> interest me a lot. To me it appears as if both projects are a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> natural
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> symbiosis.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tom> Are you going to be on EclipseCon? If yes we should all
>> meet
>>>>>> like
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ESE and talk how we could collaborate.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Completely agree with you and Tom and see a lot of opportunity
>> for
>>>>>>>> collaboration.
>>>>>>>> PMF is aiming at UI modeling/transformation from PIM to a
>> diverse
>>>>>> set
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> of target platforms.
>>>>>>>> My personal UI target platform experience using PMF is with
>> Swing,
>>>>>>>> ASP.Net/SharePoint and JSF so together we can cover a broad
>>>>>>>>
>>>> spectrum.
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Looking forward to meeting you all at EclipseCon. I arrive on
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Saturday
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and I believe there are different BOFS proposed for UI related
>>>>>>>> subjects so lots of opportunity to see how we can arrange joint
>>>>>>>> efforts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: e4-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:e4-dev-
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>>
>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Tom Schindl
>>>>>>>>> Sent: zondag 8 februari 2009 22:09
>>>>>>>>> To: E4 Project developer mailing list
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [e4-dev] Introduction
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Rob,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As the project lead of UFaceKit I'm always open for discussion
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> collobaration.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I agree about that it looks like we 3 would we a perfect match.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> As
>>>>
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> maybe already found out UFaceKit has quite a simple concept by
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> defining
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> a set of interfaces and a factory to create the concrete
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> implementation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Currently we have first class support for:
>>>>>>>>> - SWT & JFace
>>>>>>>>> - QT
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Second class support for:
>>>>>>>>> - Swing (in fact only need to implement the styleing stuff)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Incubation work for:
>>>>>>>>> - Native GWT
>>>>>>>>> - SmartGWT
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> First ideas on:
>>>>>>>>> - Draw2d
>>>>>>>>> - Android
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'd welcome any feedback and input (I desperately search for
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> skilled
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Swing-Devs) as you can imagine is hard to find for someone like
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> me.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Are you going to be on EclipseCon? If yes we should all meet
>> like
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ESE
>>>>>>>>> and talk how we could collaborate. Maybe I also need to mention
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> there's no fulltime coder working on UFaceKit (we are all doing
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> stuff in our spare time!).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Robert Wloch schrieb:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Angelo, Ed, and all others thanks for your responses.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I've taken a look at UFace and PMF during the past days and
>> both
>>>>>>>>> interest me a lot. To me it appears as if both projects are a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> natural
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> symbiosis.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In the team I was working in from 2006 until 2008 we were
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> developing
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> something very similar to the PMF combined with UFace, except
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> that
>>>>
>>>>>>>> "our
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> UFace" consisted of a Swing and an AJAX renderer only.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> Additionally
>>>>
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> layout of our GUI was declared via XML files, catchword
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "declarative
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> UI". Currently, my old team is recoding our first shot and made
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> it
>>>>
>>>>>>>> open
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> source: http://www.flowr.org. I believe these three parties
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> (UFace,
>>>>
>>>>>>>> PMF,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Flowr) should talk with each other soon. ;-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Anyways, I'd be glad to contribute my share of labor and
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> knowledge
>>>>
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> PMF and UFace. Any help on how to get on board is greatly
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> appreciated!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> Rob
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