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RE: [dsdp-pmc] PMC approval needed for committer vote for JYHSU
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Hi Mark,
You are right, of course, that working on patches does
create a bit
of work on behalf of both the Contributor and the existing
committers.
My personal opinion, though, is that it's worth taking this
extra
work for at least 3 patches from new committers-to-be in
order
to establish some relationship of trust through publicly
visible
contributions, before making somebody a
committer.
On the other hand, though, I checked the DSDP charter as
well
as the Eclipse Development Process, and couldn't find the
"3 patch" rule anywhere. It must reads:
"Becoming a Committer is a privilege
that is earned by contributing and showing discipline and good
judgment."
So, it's up to the project (eRCP and DSDP toplevel project)
to define
what "contributing, discipline and judgement"
means to you folks.
I'll thus waive the 3-patch-limit that I wanted to impose
on you, and
let yourself (and the rest of the PMC) decide how you want
to proceed.
I'm not going to vote -1 in this case, I'm casting a "0"
vote since I have
no chance to judge JYHSU I'll need to let others judge.
If others are interested, here are the docs that I
found -- there might be
other docs with the 3-patch-limit explicitly mentioned,
but I didn't find them.
Cheers,
--
Martin Oberhuber, Senior Member of Technical
Staff, Wind River
Target Management Project
Lead, DSDP PMC Member
Martin,
I agree we should try to be consistent in creating new
committers. I don't agree with you though regarding having a committer
colleague means there is not so much value in John becoming a committer. A big
point of adding John as a committer is to relieve work load on existing
committers, who otherwise have to review and commit his patches. Also, people
tend to come and go, so it is important to keep attrition from reducing our
experienced committers.
Mark
"Oberhuber, Martin"
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Well,
I haven't voted yet, I just wanted this matter
discussed. But anyhow, I think
that the same rules should apply to everyone, so yes, I would like to
see
3 patches from John on
bugzilla before making him a committer.
If he works so collaboratively indeed,
then this shouldn't be a problem
since he can ask colleagues to apply his patches easily and
there
is not really so much
value in whether he is committer or not.
What's important to me, is that
committers create some understanding
about the legal processes involved in committing code to the
repository.
And having to
operate bugzilla patches themselves for a while forces
them to at least think a little about what it
means to commit some code.
The other thing is that being a committer does
include some rights on
votes, so
if only 35% of the existing committers voted while the others
were out of office, a malicious person might
think that some company
X wanted
to bring in a new member while the members of company Y
had no chance to comment on it. I'm sure that
this is not true, and I
do not
know what sort of company diversity you have in eRCP, so please
consider this just as "food for thought
and could be".
My 2 cents,
--
Martin
Oberhuber, Senior Member of Technical Staff, Wind River
Target Management Project Lead, DSDP PMC Member
http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm
From: dsdp-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:dsdp-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mark Rogalski
Sent: Monday, July 28,
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Subject: RE: [dsdp-pmc] PMC approval
needed for committer vote for JYHSU
I wouldn't read too much into lack of response
during July since it is the height of summer vacation season.
John has been working in
the same office with existing committers so I think his work has been more
collaborative than working independently to submit patches.
So, Martin and Doug, are you
voting "-1" until John submits public patches, and then we will re-vote. How
many patches would you like to see?
Mark
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I
agree,
I'd like to see more public record of JYHSU's contributions. The
cited comments
on https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=219426 are nice but a bit
thin to grant committer status
right away.
Also, just getting 5 votes out of 13 committers is just 35% voters
within a week,
perhaps you'd want to consider marking some committers
inactive?
Note that John can be a very productive developer for eSWT just by
providing patches for a while, without full committer status yet,
until
he has
a proven track of records.
Cheers,
--
Martin Oberhuber, Senior Member of
Technical Staff, Wind
River
Target Management Project Lead, DSDP PMC Member
http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm
From: dsdp-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:dsdp-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gaff, Doug
Sent: Wednesday, July 23,
2008 3:57 PM
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Hi
Mark,
It would be nice to see a list of Bugzilla patches
for this committer that demonstrate his contributions.
Doug
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+1 from Rogalski
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behalf of emo)
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dsdp PMC Members,
This automatically generated message marks
the completion of voting for
JYHSU's Committer status on the dsdp.ercp
project. As a PMC member, you can
approve or disapprove this vote through
your My Foundation portal page:
http://portal.eclipse.org/
JYHSU was nominated by Uriel Liu as follows:
I'd like to
nominate John Hsu, who started his contribution to eRCP from
xmlParser with
the owner Philippe. He answered question in bugzilla(219426)
recently and
also works on other eswt bugs. He will join the developement
of eSWT on
windows flavors.
Vote summary: 5/0/0 with 8 pending
+1
Julian J W Chen
? Gorkem Ercan
+1 Eric MF Hsu
?
Philippe Krief
? Bernd Lachner
+1 Uriel Liu
?
Phil Loats
+1 Petru Motrescu
? Danail Nachev
+1
Mark Rogalski
? Jussi Suistomaa
? Aleksi Uotila
?
Ken
Walker
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