Thanks Dominique,
Yes, we would like to host the meeting at the Wind River office in
Ottawa. I will post location information on the meeting page.
Cheers
Pawel
Dominique Toupin (QA/EMC) wrote:
We concluded this morning in the DSDP/DD
monthly meeting that we will do it Monday. We did our traveling
arrangement accordingly.
For the location I don't have any
preferences QNX or WindRiver office in Ottawa are fine with me, Pawel
do you have a preferences?
That sounds
like a great idea Dominique. I think it would be great if we could have
it on Monday so that we can communicate the results to the CDT crowd
later in the week. I’d be happy to host this at the QNX headquarters.
From:
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09, 2007 10:25 AM
To: Dominique Toupin
(QA/EMC); Piech, Pawel; Doug Schaefer
Cc: Francois Chouinard
(QA/EMC); CDT General developers list.; Device Debugging developer discussions;
Veenu Verma (AS/EAB)
Subject: RE:
[dsdp-dd-dev] RE: CDT Summit?
Pawel
- I think your plan makes sense. I believe it meets the Ericsson
commiters’ needs, too.
Doug
S – Does this work for you at the CDT summit?
From:
Dominique Toupin (QA/EMC) [mailto:dominique.toupin@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, August
09, 2007 7:09 AM
To: Piech, Pawel; Doug Schaefer; Gaff, Doug
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CDT General developers list.;
Francois Chouinard (QA/EMC); Veenu Verma (AS/EAB); Marc Khouzam (QA/EMC)
Subject: RE:
[dsdp-dd-dev] RE: CDT Summit?
I was
thinking of doing a coding camp where DSF committers could resolve
outstanding issues with existing services, discuss implementation
details of new services and do some coding.
This coding
camp could be an extra day (Monday or Friday), everyone interested in
coding are welcome.
During the
CDT Summit we can do a demo of DSF/MI and cover the topics mention by
Pawel below.
From: Pawel Piech
[mailto:pawel.piech@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: August 8, 2007
8:20 PM
To: Doug Schaefer
Cc: Device Debugging developer discussions;
Dominique Toupin (QA/EMC); CDT General developers list.;
Francois Chouinard (QA/EMC); Veenu Verma (AS/EAB)
Subject: Re:
[dsdp-dd-dev] RE: CDT Summit?
I think it would be excellent
if we could spend more time on in the summit on debugging and as long
as there's a receptive audience we could talk about DSF architecture
and the MI implementation pretty much indefinitely :-).
However, what Dominique is asking for is not so much a
presentation/discussion session, but rather a coding camp in model of
what we had in California
in May. There we spent the first day in white board discussions about
architecture and after that we spent three days split into groups to
work on specific coding exercises stopping along the way to answer
questions. We obviously won't have time for such an exercise during
the CDT summit, but since we are all going to be at the same location
we're trying to take advantage of that to accelerate some of the DSF/MI
development.
Perhaps the best thing to do would be to use the time at the conference
to cover these topics in order and as time allows:
- Demo
DSF/MI implementation
- Discuss
integration between DSF and CDI and the UI presentation
- Any
general Debugging UI workflow improvments, which could span Platform,
CDT, and TM
- DSF
architecture using code walk-throughs and Q&A
Then on Friday after the
conference we could have an additional day of mini-coding camp to talk
about specific problems in the DSF/MI reference implementation. We
could host this last day at the Wind River Ottawa office and have it
open to anyone interested.
Cheers,
Pawel
Doug Schaefer wrote:
I think
we’ve done enough work on build and core in CDT 4.0 to last a lifetime.
I don’t anticipate needing much discussion on that at this year’s
summit, certainly not ¾ of it.
The time has
come to spend a lot more time on debug and make sure we address the
deficiencies we have with the user experience and to have a road map
for new debugger integrations that come along. In other words, we need
to find a way out of this DSF versus CDI thing for the good of the
community. But, before this can happen, people need to understand DSF,
which with its high level of abstraction and use of generics has made
that no easy task. So spending a whole day on it at the CDT summit,
hopefully walking through the GDB/MI integration and dealing with other
debug issues is not out of the question, and I actually believe it
needs to happen.
These
emails need to be sent to the dd-dev list so that others who want to
attend can comment.
I
agree with Pawel that we use try to do this in conjunction with the CDT
summit. Whether it’s a parallel session or part of the CDT meeting
depends on the topics to be covered, IMO.
Dominique
– can you propose a list of items that you’d like to see covered?
From:
Piech, Pawel
Sent: Tuesday, August
07, 2007 5:49 PM
To: Dominique Toupin
(QA/EMC)
Cc: Gaff, Doug; Veenu
Verma (AS/EAB); Francois Chouinard (QA/EMC); Marc Khouzam (QA/EMC)
Subject: Re: CDT
Summit?
Hi Dominique,
Since Francois and Mark are already at location I think it definitely
makes sense for us to have a workshop on DSF/GDB specifially. But do
you think we need an extra day, or would it be enough to set up a
parallel session during the CDT summit. Last year about 3/4 of the
summit was on non debugger issues, so I could easily see us having a
parallel session. I'm only worried that some people (especially Doug
S.) will say that they want to be included in any and all debugger
discussions, so they may take exception to being left out. Still, if
you think a parallel session would be OK, we could propose to Doug S.
and see what he thinks.
Cheers,
-Pawel
Dominique Toupin (QA/EMC) wrote:
Hi Pawel,
At the CDT Summit Sept
25-27 the second bullet on the agenda is the incorporation of DSF in
CDT: http://wiki.eclipse.org/CDT/summitfall2007
I guess you
will be attending?
Could we
have a small face to face workshop for DSF/GDB implementation?
Dominique
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