From: Dominique Toupin (QA/EMC)
[mailto:dominique.toupin@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 7:09 AM
To: Piech, Pawel; Doug Schaefer; Gaff, Doug
Cc: Device Debugging developer discussions; CDT General developers
list.; Francois Chouinard (QA/EMC); Veenu Verma (AS/EAB); Marc Khouzam (QA/EMC)
Subject: RE: [dsdp-dd-dev] RE: CDT Summit?
I was thinking of doing a coding camp where DSF committers
could resolve outstanding issues with existing services, discuss implementation
details of new services and do some coding.
This coding camp could be an extra day (Monday or Friday), everyone
interested in coding are welcome.
During the CDT Summit we can do a demo of DSF/MI and cover the
topics mention by Pawel below.
From: Pawel Piech
[mailto:pawel.piech@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: August 8, 2007 8:20 PM
To: Doug Schaefer
Cc: Device Debugging developer discussions; Dominique Toupin (QA/EMC);
CDT General developers list.; Francois Chouinard (QA/EMC); Veenu Verma (AS/EAB)
Subject: Re: [dsdp-dd-dev] RE: CDT Summit?
I think it would be excellent if we could spend more time on
in the summit on debugging and as long as there's a receptive audience we could
talk about DSF architecture and the MI implementation pretty much indefinitely
:-).
However, what Dominique is asking for is not so much a presentation/discussion
session, but rather a coding camp in model of what we had in California in
May. There we spent the first day in white board discussions about
architecture and after that we spent three days split into groups to work on
specific coding exercises stopping along the way to answer questions. We
obviously won't have time for such an exercise during the CDT summit, but since
we are all going to be at the same location we're trying to take advantage of
that to accelerate some of the DSF/MI development.
Perhaps the best thing to do would be to use the time at the conference to
cover these topics in order and as time allows:
- Demo DSF/MI implementation
- Discuss integration between DSF and CDI and the
UI presentation
- Any general Debugging UI workflow improvments,
which could span Platform, CDT, and TM
- DSF architecture using code walk-throughs and
Q&A
Then on Friday after the conference we could have an
additional day of mini-coding camp to talk about specific problems in the
DSF/MI reference implementation. We could host this last day at the Wind
River Ottawa office and have it open to anyone interested.
Cheers,
Pawel
Doug Schaefer wrote:
I think we’ve done enough work on build and core in CDT 4.0 to last
a lifetime. I don’t anticipate needing much discussion on that at this year’s
summit, certainly not ¾ of it.
The time has come to spend a lot more time on debug and make sure
we address the deficiencies we have with the user experience and to have a road
map for new debugger integrations that come along. In other words, we need to
find a way out of this DSF versus CDI thing for the good of the community. But,
before this can happen, people need to understand DSF, which with its high
level of abstraction and use of generics has made that no easy task. So
spending a whole day on it at the CDT summit, hopefully walking through the
GDB/MI integration and dealing with other debug issues is not out of the
question, and I actually believe it needs to happen.
These emails need to be sent to the dd-dev list so that others
who want to attend can comment.
I agree with Pawel that we use try to do this in conjunction
with the CDT summit. Whether it’s a parallel session or part of the CDT
meeting depends on the topics to be covered, IMO.
Dominique – can you propose a list of items that you’d like to
see covered?
From: Piech, Pawel
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 5:49 PM
To: Dominique Toupin (QA/EMC)
Cc: Gaff, Doug; Veenu Verma (AS/EAB); Francois Chouinard (QA/EMC); Marc
Khouzam (QA/EMC)
Subject: Re: CDT Summit?
Hi Dominique,
Since Francois and Mark are already at location I think it definitely makes
sense for us to have a workshop on DSF/GDB specifially. But do you think
we need an extra day, or would it be enough to set up a parallel session during
the CDT summit. Last year about 3/4 of the summit was on non debugger
issues, so I could easily see us having a parallel session. I'm only
worried that some people (especially Doug S.) will say that they want to be
included in any and all debugger discussions, so they may take exception to
being left out. Still, if you think a parallel session would be OK, we
could propose to Doug S. and see what he thinks.
Cheers,
-Pawel
Dominique Toupin (QA/EMC) wrote:
Hi Pawel,
At the CDT
Summit Sept 25-27 the second bullet on the agenda is the incorporation of DSF
in CDT: http://wiki.eclipse.org/CDT/summitfall2007
I
guess you will be attending?
Could
we have a small face to face workshop for DSF/GDB implementation?
Dominique Toupin
M.A.Sc., Eng.
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