Hi,
I was
thinking of doing a coding camp where DSF committers could resolve
outstanding issues with existing services, discuss implementation details of new
services and do some coding.
This
coding camp could be an extra day (Monday or Friday), everyone interested in
coding are welcome.
During
the CDT Summit we can do a demo of DSF/MI and cover the topics mention by Pawel
below.
/Dominique
I think it would be excellent if we could spend more time on in the
summit on debugging and as long as there's a receptive audience we could talk
about DSF architecture and the MI implementation pretty much indefinitely :-).
However, what Dominique is asking for is not so much a
presentation/discussion session, but rather a coding camp in model of what we
had in California in May. There we spent the first day in white board
discussions about architecture and after that we spent three days split into
groups to work on specific coding exercises stopping along the way to answer
questions. We obviously won't have time for such an exercise during the
CDT summit, but since we are all going to be at the same location we're trying
to take advantage of that to accelerate some of the DSF/MI development.
Perhaps the best thing to do would be to use the time at the conference
to cover these topics in order and as time allows:
- Demo DSF/MI implementation
- Discuss integration between DSF and CDI and the UI presentation
- Any general Debugging UI workflow improvments, which could span Platform,
CDT, and TM
- DSF architecture using code walk-throughs and Q&A
Then on
Friday after the conference we could have an additional day of mini-coding camp
to talk about specific problems in the DSF/MI reference implementation. We
could host this last day at the Wind River Ottawa office and have it open to
anyone interested.
Cheers, Pawel
Doug Schaefer wrote:
I think weve done
enough work on build and core in CDT 4.0 to last a lifetime. I dont
anticipate needing much discussion on that at this years summit, certainly
not ¾ of it.
The time has come to
spend a lot more time on debug and make sure we address the deficiencies we
have with the user experience and to have a road map for new debugger
integrations that come along. In other words, we need to find a way out of
this DSF versus CDI thing for the good of the community. But, before this can
happen, people need to understand DSF, which with its high level of
abstraction and use of generics has made that no easy task. So spending a
whole day on it at the CDT summit, hopefully walking through the GDB/MI
integration and dealing with other debug issues is not out of the question,
and I actually believe it needs to happen.
These
emails need to be sent to the dd-dev list so that others who want to attend
can comment.
I agree
with Pawel that we use try to do this in conjunction with the CDT
summit. Whether its a parallel session or part of the CDT meeting
depends on the topics to be covered, IMO.
Dominique
can you propose a list of items that youd like to see
covered?
From: Piech, Pawel
Sent: Tuesday, August 07,
2007 5:49 PM To: Dominique
Toupin (QA/EMC) Cc: Gaff,
Doug; Veenu Verma (AS/EAB); Francois Chouinard (QA/EMC); Marc Khouzam
(QA/EMC) Subject: Re: CDT
Summit?
Hi Dominique, Since Francois and Mark are already
at location I think it definitely makes sense for us to have a workshop on
DSF/GDB specifially. But do you think we need an extra day, or would it
be enough to set up a parallel session during the CDT summit. Last year
about 3/4 of the summit was on non debugger issues, so I could easily see us
having a parallel session. I'm only worried that some people (especially
Doug S.) will say that they want to be included in any and all debugger
discussions, so they may take exception to being left out. Still, if you
think a parallel session would be OK, we could propose to Doug S. and see what
he thinks.
Cheers, -Pawel
Dominique Toupin (QA/EMC) wrote:
Hi Pawel,
At the CDT Summit Sept 25-27 the
second bullet on the agenda is the incorporation of DSF in CDT:
http://wiki.eclipse.org/CDT/summitfall2007
I guess you will be
attending? Could we have a small face to face
workshop for DSF/GDB implementation?
Dominique
Toupin M.A.Sc.,
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