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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] CVS support plugin discontinuation - SimRel build changes needed
I don't think the major-minor discussion (interesting as it may be) is of any relevance here, because: 
* The only grace period I could find concerns API removal and that is
  not controlled by number of releases but by number of years [1]
* The code change in question didn't touch any true API.

Just for the sake of entertainment:
* The broken client is not by some alien author but by the Eclipse
  Project itself, so when the Eclipse Project justifies the breakage
  by saying: "they should never have referred to this internal class",
  this blame ("they") points to the Eclipse Project itself :)

Perhaps the following observation is more relevant:
* The "breaking" code change did not fix an existing problem [2]
  (Still anybody believing in "risk-free" changes?)

just saying,
Stephan
[1] https://github.com/eclipse-platform/.github/wiki/PMC-project-guidelines#api-removal-process
[2] https://github.com/eclipse-platform/eclipse.platform.team/issues/29#issuecomment-1370147771 

Am 03.01.23 um 15:56 schrieb Alexander Fedorov:

Hello,

Great discussion.

 > Removal in January 2022 for upcoming 4.23, 2 major releases later
 > Breakage found January 2023 on 4.26, 3 major releases later
Formally, the 4.x releases on the page https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/eclipse are all marked as "Minor Release". How did they become "major"? If they are "major" without incrementing "major" segment, then who are "minor"? What about PDE API tools? 

Regards,
AF

1/3/2023 5:45 PM, Andrey Loskutov пишет:

Ed,
you still can use CVS plugins with 4.25 platform.
For the rest: there is no "free beer" anymore in platform.
"Спасение утопающих - дело рук самих утопающих".
If you (or anyone else) want / need CVS (or XYZ) being supported by platform, please consider to contribute to the CVS (XYZ) plugin maintenance. Eclipse platform is open source project and everyone can spend time or money to improve on some aspect of it. But one can't expect from the platform project to support every released piece of software "for free" forever. 
Kind regards,
Andrey Loskutov

Спасение утопающих - дело рук самих утопающих

https://www.eclipse.org/user/aloskutov
*Gesendet:* Dienstag, 03. Januar 2023 um 15:32 Uhr
*Von:* "Ed Willink" <ed@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*An:* "Cross project issues" <cross-project-issues-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
*Betreff:* Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] CVS support plugin discontinuation - SimRel build changes needed 

Hi
4.21 to 4.23 is two minor releases and only six months; nothing in terms of a transition period. 

It takes a change to 6.x to be two major releases.

    Regards

        Ed Willink

On 03/01/2023 14:24, Mickael Istria wrote:

    On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 3:12 PM Ed Willink <ed.willink@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

        I thought that Open Source was friendly; not a facilitator for a
        proprietary business case.

    Well, sometimes allowing contributors to make money from their work is
    actually one way to try being friendly.
    But indeed, if one wants to do that work for free, that's even friendlier.

        My understanding of the disciplined deprecation was that two major
        releases were required after an announcement, but since e6 is impossibly
        distant the platform has taken to breakage in minor versions.
        Nonetheless I would expect two releases on the yearly cadence so
        breakage within 18 months seems very wrong and to merit a regression fix.

    Deprecation announced in September 2021 (4.21)
    Removal in January 2022 for upcoming 4.23, 2 major releases later
    Breakage found January 2023 on 4.26, 3 major releases later
    The cadence is described at https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/eclipse
    Ultimately, there is a clear law of software development: unmaintained
    software that no-one builds or updates against newer version of its
    dependencies will die; only software that someone maintains actively
    survives. It's not a matter of process here, but a matter of interest in
    maintaining it. If some money can be found to boost interest from someone
    in maintaining here, then we all win.
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