|Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] CodeEnvy continues to use deceptivewording that's harmful to Eclipse|
> I guess one question, is that really the Foundationâs role?
Yes, it is. We entrust the foundation to safeguard various Eclipse trademarks and this looks like a clear case of misuse.
> Is it not up to us, the community, to make sure the messaging is clear?
Even if others put out clarifying and contradicting statements, the confusion will remain and only get worse as more people are exposed to this statement.
> I gave a short talk to a local Ottawa IoT meetup and used the term âEclipseâ and they knew exactly what I was talking about
Of course they did, which is exactly why claims that Che is the next generation Eclipse IDE is so damaging as most donât understand that this isnât saying that Che is the next version of what they understand to be Eclipse. In trademark terms, âEclipseâ and âEclipse IDEâ are established trademarks of the traditional Eclipse product. Even if that wasnât an explicit overt decision, itâs a fact. In retrospect, perhaps the foundation and the product should not have used the same trademark, but we canât fix the history. Trying to invent a new trademark for the traditional Eclipse IDE or the current quasi state where we are supposed to pretend that âEclipse IDEâ means any number of things to the user base is deeply damaging and expensive to everyone involved. Now is the time to stop it, before the damage spreads further.
> Aside from that, the language server protocol is a great initiative and something our tooling really needs.
I agree with that. Thatâs why I was reading the press release, before I got sidetracked by this.
I guess one question, is that really the Foundationâs role? Is it not up to us, the community, to make sure the messaging is clear?
Though Iâm not as worried about that at the moment. I gave a short talk to a local Ottawa IoT meetup and used the term âEclipseâ and they knew exactly what I was talking about, using Eclipse to program their Arduinos. And they rather liked the idea :).
Aside from that, the language server protocol is a great initiative and something our tooling really needs. Donât forget Red Hat is also a major player here and I think weâll all benefit from it.