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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] [tm-dev] Any RSE dependencies in Neon?

Kaloyan,

Let me first correct you, because you are wrong, or at least donât seem to have an understanding of how open source projects like Eclipse work. Development on any project is dependent on the commitment and knowledge of people willing to volunteer their time. Often people are able to contribute to a project for a period of time, but then must move on to other projects as priorities or other circumstances change. Some projects, like TM, are comprised of sub-projects that have been developed independently, and committers from one sub-project may have no interest or understanding of the activities of another sub-project. Just because they are part of the same umbrella project does not make them responsible for the project as a whole. Further, Eclipse has fairly stringent requirements on projects that participate in a simultaneous release, and without an ongoing commitment to support and maintain a project, these requirements are simply not met. Statements like yours simply denigrate the hard work and time that many people have put into a project like TM.

Many companies are receiving significant financial benefits from incorporating software such as RSE in their products, and it is up to these companies and other interested individuals to step up and commit to supporting a project if they wish it to continue. If youâre interested in doing so, then Iâd be happy to nominate you as a committer to the project.

Greg

On Dec 15, 2015, at 2:31 AM, Kaloyan Raev <kaloyan.r@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

Yes, of course. Otherwise, I would not have proposed it.
I also hope that there are others who would volunteer too for the good of their projects/products.

Kaloyan

On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Lars Vogel <lars.vogel@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Kaloyan,

would you be interested in becoming a committer in this new project? I
think only creating a new project does not help, if there are no
committer.

Best regards, Lars

On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 8:03 AM, Kaloyan Raev <kaloyan.r@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Martin,
>
> As far as I understand, correct me if I am wrong, the existing TM project
> committers have no interest in maintaining the project, they want to knock
> it off the release train and archive it.
>
> Of course, it is possible to maintain RSE in the TM project, but the main
> prerequisite for this is patches from contributors to be reviewed. I
> submitted a simple patch [1] some time ago and it has not been reviewed yet.
> My team wants to contribute other patches, but in the current situation we
> would not invest the efforts.
>
> Please, don't take this as some sort of blaming, like I don't take it
> personally that my patch has not been reviewed yet :-) I completely
> understand that the current TM committers are looking in a different
> direction and RSE is not their focus. This is why I believe that moving RSE
> to a separate project is the optimal solution at the moment.
>
> [1] https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=480836
>
> Greetings,
> Kaloyan
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 5:09 AM, Oberhuber, Martin
> <Martin.Oberhuber@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Kaloyan,
>>
>>
>>
>> Why do you think moving RSE to an âorphan projectâ would simplify things ?
>>
>> Why couldnât interested parties maintain RSE in its current project ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Martin
>>
>> --
>>
>> Martin Oberhuber, SMTS / Product Owner â Development Tools, Wind River
>>
>> direct +43.662.457915.85  fax +43.662.457915.6
>>
>>
>>
>> From: cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kaloyan
>> Raev
>> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2015 9:15 AM
>> To: Cross project issues
>> Cc: TM project developer discussions
>> Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] [tm-dev] Any RSE dependencies in
>> Neon?
>>
>>
>>
>> The DLTK project contributes a DLTK RSE feature to the release train. My
>> guess is that no one else on the release train depends on this DLTK RSE
>> feature, so it would be easy to remove it if necessary.
>>
>>
>>
>> From adopter's point of view, like JBoss Tools, Zend Studio also heavily
>> relies on RSE.
>>
>> The new o.e.remote really has some advantages like the Synchronized
>> Project, but still misses some basic features of RSE:
>>
>>   - Connecting to Windows systems (no cygwin please)
>>
>>   - FTP connections
>>
>>   - Remote Systems Explorer view, which allows browsing and editing files
>> without creating a project on a remote system, but also on the local file
>> system using the Local connection.
>>
>>
>>
>> However, I suppose that Zend Studio, JBoss Tools and any other adopter can
>> continue using RSE outside of the release train, while the project remains
>> under the Eclipse Foundation.
>>
>>
>>
>> BTW, something interesting I noticed is that IBM has already a fork of the
>> RSE project. In the IBM Rational products the RSE plugins exist with the
>> same org.eclipse.rse.* IDs, but with version 4.4.x. RSE under the Eclipse
>> Foundation is still with version 3.7.2. This already causes a nasty
>> fragmentation of RSE in the community. Any plugin that depends on the EF RSE
>> most likely cannot be installed on IBM Rational due to dependency conflicts.
>>
>>
>>
>> So, I have a suggestion. If the TM project has no interest in maintaining
>> RSE in future, how about moving RSE to a new "orphan" project outside of the
>> TM project, so those adopter who still rely on RSE can continue maintaining
>> and improving it until they are ready to switch to the new alternative?
>>
>>
>>
>> Kaloyan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 9:17 AM, Max Rydahl Andersen <manderse@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I know we are not on the release train but JBoss tools continues to use
>> RSE.
>>
>> Afaik there are still no replacement for the functionality it provides
>> with respect to UI for connecting to ssh and ftp based systems.
>>
>> If there are I would love to hear about them.
>>
>> Thus my interest is still to keep it in.
>>
>> If help is needed for including it let me know.
>>
>> /max
>> http://about.me/maxandersen
>>
>>
>> > On 11 Dec 2015, at 19:13, Greg Watson <g.watson@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >
>> > Are there any projects that have a dependency on Remote System Explorer
>> > (RSE) in Neon? The TM project must decide if RSE will be included in the
>> > Neon release. Currently there is only interest in including TM Terminal.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Greg
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