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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Kepler SR3 for Java 8?
We should definitely offer a repository where all Java 8 related patches (along with updates to it) are available. I'm -1 to offer a new/special release.

Dani



From:        "Konstantin Komissarchik" <konstantin.komissarchik@xxxxxxxxxx>
To:        "'Cross project issues'" <cross-project-issues-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date:        24.03.2014 17:31
Subject:        Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Kepler SR3 for Java 8?
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WTP patch - Java facet needs to be amended to support Java 8 before any web
developer can take advantage of Java 8 support in JDT. The WTP patch is only
available in source form.

- Konstantin


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From: cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Doug
Schaefer
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 9:17 AM
To: Cross project issues
Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Kepler SR3 for Java 8?

I'm sorry, but I only know about the JDT patch, and a pretty decent p2 site
has been created to make it really easy to install. No "building" required.
I'm happily using it to work on JavaFX stuff.

What's in the WTP patch? And I'm not even sure Tycho has support for Java 8
yet.

I appreciate your concern, but I'd also like to hear from a few others
before we (the planning council and EPP maintainers) start the significant
effort to respin Kepler, as opposed to making Luna, available in only 3
months, our first class Java 8 tool.

Doug.

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From: cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
[cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] on behalf of Konstantin
Komissarchik [konstantin.komissarchik@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 12:05 PM
To: 'Cross project issues'
Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Kepler SR3 for Java 8?

I don't see evidence to back such a conjecture. One cannot assume that Java
sophistication implies sophistication or desire to build and install Eclipse
patches. One cannot assume that immediate interest in Java 8 even implies
any level of sophistication (see students). In fact, I would expect that a
large number of developers who are not tied by JVM backwards compatibility
requirements will be moving to Java 8 in the next month or two in order to
take advantage of the new language constructs.

These developers will be faced with... install JDT patch... build WTP patch
from source... install m2e luna i-build and hope it works with kepler...
etc... or maybe just use NetBeans or IntelliJ, both of whom have shipped
their Java 8 support already. If we are serious about maintaining a
competitive position for Eclipse, we need to do better than telling the
users to assemble Java 8 support on their own.

- Konstantin


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Doug
Schaefer
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 12:33 PM
To: Cross project issues
Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Kepler SR3 for Java 8?

I would think that if they are advanced enough to jump on Java 8 the minute
it releases, they can figure out how to install the Java 8 support into
Kepler.

Doug.

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[cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] on behalf of Konstantin
Komissarchik [konstantin.komissarchik@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 11:25 AM
To: 'Cross project issues'
Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Kepler SR3 for Java 8?

There have been numerous calls for Java 8 support on the stable Kepler base
and patches have been prepared accordingly. This is a discussion of a better
way to package and distribute these existing Kepler patches. Many users who
do not typically consume Eclipse milestones are not happy with using a Luna
milestone for Java 8 support as numerous other areas are in flux and
unstable. From this perspective, the proposed J8 release would be
significantly more stable in general than M7.

- Konstantin


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[mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ed
Willink
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 8:11 AM
To: Cross project issues
Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Kepler SR3 for Java 8?

Hi

Surely anyone trying to use Java 8 before June is a bleeding edge user, so
what is wrong with M6/M7?

Any pretence that a J8 release, sooner than M7, is of higher quality than
the M7 release is just misleading. Few projects have used it so there will
be numerous serious but often trivial problems to fix. Bug
430875 is the first from me.

    Regards

        Ed Willink

On 21/03/2014 14:59, Konstantin Komissarchik wrote:
>> Are you talking about separate update site with java 8 patches for
>> kepler
> or full-blown release?
>
> My preference is for a full release. If that doesn't happen, we can
> discuss an aggregate repo of patches, which doesn't paint Eclipse in
> the best light, but is somewhat better than many separate repos with
patches.
>
>> In any case, m2e does not plan to participate. Anyone who wants to
>> use m2e
> with java 8 support
>> on kepler will have to install m2e 1.5 milestone/snapshot build from
>> m2e
> specific repository.
>
> Ok.
>
> - Konstantin
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Igor Fedorenko
> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:53 AM
> To: cross-project-issues-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Kepler SR3 for Java 8?
>
> Are you talking about separate update site with java 8 patches for
> kepler or full-blown release?
>
> In any case, m2e does not plan to participate. Anyone who wants to use
> m2e with java 8 support on kepler will have to install m2e 1.5
> milestone/snapshot build from m2e specific repository.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Igor
>
> On 2014-03-21, 10:44, Konstantin Komissarchik wrote:
>> The issue is that features beyond JDT need to be updated before Java
>> 8 is supported across various Eclipse features. In particular, WTP
>> needs Java 8 facet version before web application developers can take
>> advantage of Java 8. There may be others.
>>
>> In case this goes forward, *could other projects that need to
>> distribute Java 8 enablement signal so on this thread so that we know
>> who would be
>> participating?*
>>
>> - Konstantin
>>
>> *From:*cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of
>> *Daniel Megert
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 21, 2014 12:53 AM
>> *To:* Cross project issues
>> *Subject:* Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Kepler SR3 for Java 8?
>>
>> Hi Konstantin
>>
>> Can you explain why you need two patches? For me the given
>> instructions
>> <https://wiki.eclipse.org/JDT/Eclipse_Java_8_Support_For_Kepler>work
>> fine and those involve only one patch / repo.
>>
>> Dani
>>
>>
>>
>> From: "Konstantin Komissarchik" <konstantin.komissarchik@xxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:konstantin.komissarchik@xxxxxxxxxx>>
>> To: "'Cross project issues'" <cross-project-issues-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:cross-project-issues-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
>> Date: 20.03.2014 15:51
>> Subject: [cross-project-issues-dev] Kepler SR3 for Java 8?
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>> --
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I am wondering if we should do a limited SR release to pickup Java 8
>> patches. As it stands, Eclipse users interested in Java 8 would have
>> to hunt for and install at least two patches, which doesn't paint
>> Eclipse in a good light.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> - Konstantin_______________________________________________
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