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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Are too many packages actually hurting Eclipse?

As an alternative we could replace „Standard“ with an „Ultimate Java“ Edition (including J2EE, WTP, RCP, Modeling)  and see what the download numbers are next year.


See I totally agree that are places where you want to specialize. My only problem that we are discussing this among ~ 1000 eclipse committers here and we have around 2 mio downloads.


Maybe its also because I do a lot of RCP development and always download the RCP packages for the Eclipse IDE. Recently I decided to do some WTP stuff for myself. And the easiest way for me was to download a WTP Eclipse IDE. So maybe you can say that I could have downloaded some features from the Kepler repo. But I wasnt sure what was necessary so I downloaded a new IDE. (Felt strange, but worked)


So after that I thought, maybe I would preferred an IDE that can do „everything java“ aka „ultimate“...




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On 07/30/2013 03:57 PM, Igor Fedorenko wrote:

Are you suggesting forcing webtools on all java developers? Seriously?

I've just had a new look at the Eclipse community survey and since about 45% (~=100% - web dev perventage - RCP percentage - non-Java users percentage) of Java users are doing something else that Web or Plugin development, it seems indeed that a Java package without WTP makes sense.
The use cases are people doing some server side stuff and plugins for various non-web applications (Maven, Jenkins, Ant...).

So I'm changing my mind and now agree that two distinct "Java" and "Java for Web development" package would still make sense. However I still keep thinking that "Eclipse Standard" doesn't help much.

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