Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Are too many packages actually hurting Ec

["Oberhuber, Martin" <Martin.Oberhuber@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

What about an “ultimate” edition of Eclipse that has all plugins _available_ but not necessarily _activated_ ?

 

Technically, a base Eclipse with the most relevant / least intrusive plugins preinstalled , + a downloaded p2 repo in the same download bundle with add-ons that are installable . Pascal said in his EclipseCon talk this year, that on an existing downloaded p2 repo, a “zerocopy install” is possible so activating your add-ons should be fast and easy.

 

If then the categorization and granularity of the add-ons provided is meaningful, and the UI for selecting them looks nice, you get a single download plus add-on selection wizard where you quickly can activate add-ons that you need. And if you need more later you don’t have to hunt for downloads or update sites but you simply activate them.

 

Eclipse.org could provide the technical foundation of this “Eclipse Ultimate” plus there could be another edition hosted outside Eclipse.org where also non-Eclipse.org content (such as Subclipse, Emacs+, ColorThemes, …) are bundled.

 

Thanks,

Martin

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From: cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Campo, Christian
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 2:56 PM
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Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Are too many packages actually hurting Eclipse?

 

I am not sure about the disaster thing really. As we are also having the discussion about other IDE's look at IntelliJ just for a second (http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/download/index.html)

 

They have 2 downloads. One that is free and one that is everything.

 

That makes it at least very simple for users of the IDE. Even if you dont agree on that, 90 % of the downloads are from 4 pre-packed IDEs for Eclipse.

 

How about an "Ultimate" edition for Eclipse. Why do I have to make a choice whether I want to develop J2EE, Modelling or RCP or be a Tester ? We all know that you can do multiple things with one IDE at the same time. The download page makes us think we have to make a choice.

 

Von: Pascal Rapicault <pascal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Betreff: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Are too many packages actually hurting Eclipse?

 

An all in one IDE is a recipe for disaster and will contribute to even more FUD around Eclipse.
Also I fail to see which improvements to the user experience can be done since we would not have a specific persona to focus on.
Instead I think we should focus on improving the integrations between the tools that are known to be installed together (yes ideally we would need user input on this). IMO this will have a better chance of success since it is much more focused and would also involve less ppl.


On 07/30/2013 12:13 PM, Konstantin Komissarchik wrote:

> so they are actually useful to end-users.

 

Actually, we have no evidence that users find packages useful. They download them because what else is there for them to do. Then if they are experienced, they know what’s included and how to install the missing pieces. If not, they thrash on forums wondering why Eclipse for Java Developers doesn’t come with an XML editor.

 

We can certainly measure the value of maintaining a menagerie of packages. All it would take is to put out an everything package alongside the existing ones and compare download numbers.

 

While it wouldn’t happen overnight, a single Eclipse IDE would have a unifying effect on the community, ultimately leading, I believe, to higher overall quality.

 

- Konstantin

 

 

 

From: cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mickael Istria
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 2:46 AM
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Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Are too many packages actually hurting Eclipse?

 

On 07/30/2013 12:35 AM, Konstantin Komissarchik wrote:

 

Would user experience be better if there was only one Eclipse package on the main download site that had pretty much everything that’s in the aggregated repository?

I really don't think so.
Packages are a good way to start which includes most available relevant stuff for release-train.

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