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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Performance, 3.8 versus 4.2

> "The one that does the job decides!"

Indeed, but the rest of that quote is "and accepts consequences for those

I do not believe that the broad community is disinterested in helping 4.x in
reaching maturity. This thread and others like it are simply a call to slow
down and to do this more safely. It would not be wise for the platform team
to disregard these calls.

- Konstantin

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Aleksandar Kurtakov
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 4:02 AM
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Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Performance, 3.8 versus 4.2

----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stephan Herrmann" <stephan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: cross-project-issues-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 1:40:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Performance, 3.8 versus 4.2
> On 09/06/2012 08:23 AM, Thomas Hallgren wrote:
> > Introducing a new platform undoubtedly consumes a lot of resources.
> > Doing that anyway (and as the only viable alternative), well aware 
> > that those resources were scarce and that the new platform had 
> > inferior performance, and then blame the community for not helping, 
> > that doesn't fly well with me.
> Maybe the problem is, "the community" isn't quite as homogeneous as we 
> keep thinking. 3.8 vs. 4.2 is a conflict of interests between 
> different groups of people.
> If you are part of the group that only sees regressions not a single 
> improvement in 4.2, it's difficult to get motivated helping those 
> other guys getting their baby up to speed. Of course those who greatly 
> benefit from the new architecture don't want to get slowed down by 
> "legacy" decisions.
> Lets call one group the IDE nerds and the other group the e4-RCP 
> folks.
> As a thought experiment: are the e4-RCP folks strong enough in 
> resources to make 4.3 a replacement that will not get into faces of 
> the IDE nerds?

What about e4-RCP folks outnumber the IDE nerds significantly (amongst
active contributors) so it's there call.
"The one that does the job decides!"

Alexander Kurtakov
Red Hat Eclipse team

> I don't know the answer, but I feel the answer differs depending on 
> whether you focus on functionality, bugs, performance or usability.
> Yes, we are still one community, and I'm not advocating fences and 
> boundaries, but helping each other seems to work best when cost and 
> benefits are equally balanced in all regions of this community.
> On 09/06/2012 07:06 AM, Pascal Rapicault wrote:
>  > But more importantly than all this is the meta conclusion that the  
> > era of being able to take the platform for granted is over and  > 
> that  > we are all going to have to pay more attention to it, roll up 
> our  > sleeves and contribute.
> I'd like to second this. No part of the entire ecosystem can be taken 
> for granted, not the platform, not jdt, not p2, nor the team 
> providers.
> All components need continued care and everybody needs help (no 
> sarcasm intended, in case anyone wonders).
> cheers,
> Stephan
> PS: Great to see efforts to bring performance tests back! Thanks!
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