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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Galileo Must Do's: How much Rules? - Results are in

Title: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Galileo Must Do's: How much Rules? - Results are in
Absolutely correct, thanks.  

If you don’t know who your PMC’s PC rep is, check here:   


On 11/26/08 3:42 PM, "Oberhuber, Martin" <Martin.Oberhuber@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi all,

almost 2 weeks ago I invited to join a little poll about how much Rules Eclipse needs. The results are in, and quite interesting I'd think: <>

35 people participated, the majority voting for "Guidance" through rules and "Ok to have rules since we all gain from the train". Looks like the PC is doing the right thing after all. Thanks, Planning Council!

And for those who're still not happy with their must-do's, I believe they can still negotiate. If I'm not mistaken, the process for negotiation is asking your PMC representative at the PC represent your concerns during the next call (correct, Richard?)

Martin Oberhuber
, Senior Member of Technical Staff,
Wind River
Target Management Project Lead, DSDP PMC Member



From:  cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx  [mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of  Oberhuber, Martin
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 12:02  PM
To: Cross project issues
Subject: RE:  [cross-project-issues-dev] Galileo Must-do's

Hi Thomas and all,

I find this discussion extremely interesting.  
How much Control does Eclipse need to avoid falling apart as  it grows?

I created a little poll for this: <>

Looking forward to interesting  results,



Martin Oberhuber, Senior Member of Technical  Staff, Wind River

Target Management  Project Lead, DSDP PMC Member




From:  cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx  [mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of  Thomas Hallgren
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 11:02  AM
To: Cross project issues
Subject: Re:  [cross-project-issues-dev] Galileo Must-do's

I miss the good old days when Open Source communities were based  on the contributions that they got, where the contributors were heroes, and  the quality of the resulting product were the product of their goodwill and  skill. I find that participating in the Eclipse release train nowadays  involves efforts that are somewhat overwhelming and that I, instead of  adding valid functionality to the areas where I contribute, am forced to  implement requirements that brings much less benefit to the intended user  base.

I think that when a central management stipulates this many  requirements for individual projects, there's a high risk that all the fun  is taken out of it. As a contributor, and even as a project manager, I loose  control. I no longer decide what's important in my own domain. I no longer  prioritize what to do with the time I spend on the projects. Someone else  does. A lot of the motivation is thereby lost, replaced with a whip that  forces me to comply with a strict set of rules. Was that the intention? I  don't think so.

Don't get me wrong, I can see that there are benefits  in having a common set of requirements. I just think it's a tad too much  now.

Thomas Hallgren

Schaefer, Doug wrote:  
It'll be interesting to see what happens when we get  to the Release Review and find few of us actually did all the must dos.  Unfortunately, the must do's didn't come with additional contributions and  I can't seem to pull any out of my, uh, never mind. I see Doom ahead  unless a Christmas miracle happens.




From: cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx  [mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx]  On Behalf Of Anthony Hunter
Sent: Thursday, November  13, 2008 10:20 PM
To: Cross project issues
Subject:  Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Galileo Must-do's


Hi Team, with respect to the questioning of the capabilities as a  "must do":

and  further comments should go on  

Anthony Hunter mailto:anthonyh@xxxxxxxxxx
Software  Development Manager: Eclipse Open Source Components
IBM Rational  Software: Aurora / GEF / GMF / Modeling Tools

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