Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Now that the party is over...

[Kim Moir <Kim_Moir@xxxxxxxxxx>]

I think that the Callisto page may be
a bit misleading for those people who already are running 3.1 and may need
to be tweaked a bit.

For instance, if you look at 
http://www.eclipse.org/callisto/java.php

The title is  "Upgrade to
Eclipse 3.2" which for people running 3.1 the logical conclusion is
 "Hey, I can upgrade, I don't have to reinstall' :-) Of course,
this isn't true because of https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=123162.

Given the number of questions on the
eclipse.newcomer group, perhaps it is warranted to start a Callisto faq
that could be linked from the Callisto page. It could just have links to
other faqs or identify issues specific to Callisto, for example, how to
report a bug against Callisto if you don't know the specific component
where the problem lies.  I've started one here...please feel free
to add content.

http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/Callisto_FAQ

Kim

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Now that Callisto is “out the door”, the
“party is over” so to speak… I get the sense there are still a few clean-up/follow-up
issues to deal with. Can I raise a few to people’s consciousness level?
 
First, with a new release, especially one
so widely publicized, we’re going to have a *lot* of new downloaders.
That’s going to lead to a lot of questions. I’ve noticed a significant
up-tick occurring on eclipse.tptp (despite the 4th holiday weekend).
I’ve noticed a LOT of new users over in CDT and WTP land as well (e.g.).
So… could I encourage everyone, despite their tiredness/euphoria/sick-of-Callisto/whatever-you’re-feeling-now
situation to please check out *your* newsgroup and consider responding
to those out there floundering? … and consider passing this suggestion
along to the rest of your project team? I know a lot of us “conversationalists”
are still plugging away in our respective newsgroups, but there are “expert
opinions” needed all the more now!
 
Second, along those same lines, can I make
my inevitable plea for you experienced guys to consider perusing eclipse.newcomer
and helping some poor schmuck with his/her problem? The one that has surprised
me the most (which just shows how stupid I can be… this should not have
been a surprise!) is how many people are trying to “upgrade” to Eclipse
3.2 or some other Callisto component. I guess I just assumed everyone would
gladly throw off their tired, their old, their worn-out (and working!)
Eclipse environment and just whole-heartedly embrace a complete Callisto
download. (See, I told you I was stupid! J)
 
Third, and eclipse.newcomer has highlighted
this for me, can I make a plea for a “refresh” on Ed Burnette’s call
for discussion in eclipse.foundation under the “User experience” project
heading? When he first posted, there was a lot of silence, then a flurry,
then more silence… I think we were all too intent on getting Callisto
out to consider “what next”. Now that we’re at “next”, I’d like a
serious consideration of his proposal, and (surprise) I’d like to raise
the possibility that we dismiss the idea and just go ahead and concede
the “out of the package download experience” to NetBeans and whatever
VENDORS want to productize Eclipse. Seeing the level of inexperience DROP
post-Callisto on eclipse.newcomer (IMHO), I’m just not sure we’re up
to the task Ed is proposing. Why spread ourselves too thin? Why not focus
on our true “core values”, which are to provide the best platform for
others to productize? (Alternatively, I want to so incense people with
my “concede to NetBeans” counter-proposal so as to incite a real effort
to go beyond our core values to adding a new one… best out-of-the-box
experience. I’m just not sure we’re up to it!)
 
That’s it for now. Back to sweeping up the
confetti… (i.e., back to doing all those little things for the next point
release that fell off the sides in the rush to release for Callisto).
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