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[cross-project-issues-dev] Runtimes vs. SDK's

To answer the crux of  the attached note (which I've also posted to Eclipse Foundation newsgroup). .

The observed limitation is a "point in time" limitation, since Callisto "releases" are made up (usually) from project's "interim" update sites,
they are not "found" automatically by the implanted update sites, which most projects specify as their permeant (near future) update sites.

So, yes, the workflow is supposed to be
     install (potentially many) features from Callisto
            in addition to the actual function, this provides the implanted Update URL's for the features installed
     go back to specific project sites to get "extras" such as SDK/Source for desired projects
            (its assumed the desired "sdk" features would be some subset of total installed features, so, this hopefully
        would reduce both foot print and band width).

But I agree, at this point in time, it makes it hard to test to be sure the designed workflow works correctly.
To "test" the workflow, after installing from Callisto Discovery site, you can "manually" add the interim sites to your update manger, such as

I would be GREAT to have more people testing this workflow, so, I will publish all the "interim" sites in


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FW: [cross-project-issues-dev] Callisto Meeting:  4/26/06

Sending to the group.  I believe we covered this topic in a previous meeting, but I don’t recall the conclusion.  I’ll add it to the agenda for today.

From: Smith, Randy D [mailto:randy.d.smith@xxxxxxxxx]
Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:59 AM
Gaff, Doug
RE: [cross-project-issues-dev] Callisto Meeting: 4/26/06

I would hope the Callisto Project might discuss this issue which was posted on Eclipse.Foundation and form a response. I’m copying that posting here with my response that touches on a related more minor issue. I think it essential Callisto deal with this issue if it hadn’t already planned to. And, if the plan does deal with the issue… my apologies for wasting your time.
Erkki Lindpere wrote:
> Hi!
> I think the Callisto release train is a great idea and hope it will be a
> huge success. But how is one supposed to get the various SDK's when the
> runtimes have been installed from the Callisto update site?
> At the very least I expect I should be able to get the SDK's from the
> update sites that are automatically added by the projects installed from
> the Callisto discovery site. Currently this is not so, but is it going
> to be with the final release?
> Just minutes ago I wanted to upgrade to the RC1a version and:
> 1. installed the Eclipse Platform runtime (without JDK & PDE).
> 2. installed several projects from Callisto Discovery site (JDK, PDE,
> TPTP and all it's requirements, including WTP and BIRT)
> 3. now I wanted to get the SDK's for TPTP and the Eclipse Platform, but
> when searching for new features from ALL of the automatically added
> update sites (from SWITCHmirror), the only SDK's found that seemed to be
> for the correct version were BIRT & DTP (Other update sites showed
> features for Eclipse 3.1 based versions -- but would a relatively new
> Eclipse user even realise that? And I assume Callisto's purpose is also
> to bring new users.)
> So the only option to get all the SDK's is to download them manually? I
> don't like this at all: it forces me to mix manual installs with ones
> managed by Eclipse (that is, if I want to take advantage of the Callisto
> Discovery site and not download everything manually to begin with) and
> what's more, actually comb through the downloaded SDK's to not copy the
> features & plugins that have already been installed as part of the
> runtimes... This feels like the worst way of installing Eclipse than
> ever been before.
> Erkki
Let me offer a hearty "hear hear" to your concern. I think that for Callisto to be successful the complaint expressed here will have to be addressed.
Erkki, you might want to add your name to the cc list for bugzilla #138244 < >. There I expressed concern about how a platform download results in a Help=>Contents that gives the Workbench User Guide whose first page says  "(You can get the Welcome view back at any time by selecting <Help =>
Welcome>.)" This despite the fact that Help=>Welcome does not exist on the platform download, or that download with all of Callisto installed. So, in essence, my bugzilla is the tip of the iceberg you've identified above.

From: cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gaff, Doug
Wednesday, April 26, 2006 6:20 AM
Cross project issues
RE: [cross-project-issues-dev] Callisto Meeting: 4/26/06

On #1:  ignore my date for RC2.  I pulled it off of the wrong schedule.  According to the Callisto page, it’s on May 5.

From: cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gaff, Doug
Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:13 AM
Cross project issues
[cross-project-issues-dev] Callisto Meeting: 4/26/06

Hi folks,
Bjorn asked me to run the meeting in his absence.
613.287.8000 -or- 866.362.7064
passcode 874551#

1. RC2 status for each project (due 4/28)
2. Tim’s questions about OOM errors and Performance problems.
3. All-in-one zip proposal:
4. Mega Release Review:  Contribution Questionnaires due yesterday.
5. Pack 200 update
6. Anything I missed.
Doug G
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