[cross-project-issues-dev] Runtimes vs. SDK's

[David M Williams <david_williams@xxxxxxxxxx>]

To answer the crux of  the attached
note (which I've also posted to Eclipse Foundation newsgroup). . 

The observed limitation is a "point
in time" limitation, since Callisto "releases" are made
up (usually) from project's "interim" update sites, 
they are not "found" automatically
by the implanted update sites, which most projects specify as their permeant
(near future) update sites. 

So, yes, the workflow is supposed to
be 
     install (potentially
many) features from Callisto
           
in addition to the actual function, this provides the implanted Update
URL's for the features installed
     go back to specific
project sites to get "extras" such as SDK/Source for desired
projects
           
(its assumed the desired "sdk" features would be some subset
of total installed features, so, this hopefully 
        would
reduce both foot print and band width). 

But I agree, at this point in time,
it makes it hard to test to be sure the designed workflow works correctly.

To "test" the workflow, after
installing from Callisto Discovery site, you can "manually" add
the interim sites to your update manger, such as 
http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/updates/3.2milestones/site.xml

I would be GREAT to have more people
testing this workflow, so, I will publish all the "interim" sites
in 
http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/Callisto_Coordinated_Update_Sites

Thanks,

"Gaff, Doug" <doug.gaff@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sending to the group.  I
believe we covered this topic in a previous meeting, but I don’t recall
the conclusion.  I’ll add it to the agenda for today.
 
Doug

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From: Smith, Randy D [mailto:randy.d.smith@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:59 AM
To: Gaff, Doug
Subject: RE: [cross-project-issues-dev] Callisto Meeting: 4/26/06
 
Doug,
 
I would hope the Callisto Project
might discuss this issue which was posted on Eclipse.Foundation and form
a response. I’m copying that posting here with my response that touches
on a related more minor issue. I think it essential Callisto deal with
this issue if it hadn’t already planned to. And, if the plan does deal
with the issue… my apologies for wasting your time.
--
     RDS
 
Erkki Lindpere wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> I think the Callisto release
train is a great idea and hope it will be a 
> huge success. But how
is one supposed to get the various SDK's when the 
> runtimes have been installed
from the Callisto update site?
> 
> At the very least I expect
I should be able to get the SDK's from the 
> update sites that are
automatically added by the projects installed from 
> the Callisto discovery
site. Currently this is not so, but is it going 
> to be with the final release?
> 
> Just minutes ago I wanted
to upgrade to the RC1a version and:
> 1. installed the Eclipse
Platform runtime (without JDK & PDE).
> 2. installed several projects
from Callisto Discovery site (JDK, PDE, 
> TPTP and all it's requirements,
including WTP and BIRT)
> 3. now I wanted to get
the SDK's for TPTP and the Eclipse Platform, but 
> when searching for new
features from ALL of the automatically added 
> update sites (from SWITCHmirror),
the only SDK's found that seemed to be 
> for the correct version
were BIRT & DTP (Other update sites showed 
> features for Eclipse 3.1
based versions -- but would a relatively new 
> Eclipse user even realise
that? And I assume Callisto's purpose is also 
> to bring new users.)
> 
> So the only option to
get all the SDK's is to download them manually? I 
> don't like this at all:
it forces me to mix manual installs with ones 
> managed by Eclipse (that
is, if I want to take advantage of the Callisto 
> Discovery site and not
download everything manually to begin with) and 
> what's more, actually
comb through the downloaded SDK's to not copy the 
> features & plugins
that have already been installed as part of the 
> runtimes... This feels
like the worst way of installing Eclipse than 
> ever been before.
> 
> Erkki
 
Let me offer a hearty "hear
hear" to your concern. I think that for Callisto to be successful
the complaint expressed here will have to be addressed.
 
Erkki, you might want to add
your name to the cc list for bugzilla #138244 < https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=138244
>. There I expressed concern about how a platform download results in
a Help=>Contents that gives the Workbench User Guide whose first page
says  "(You can get the Welcome view back at any time by selecting
<Help =>
Welcome>.)" This despite
the fact that Help=>Welcome does not exist on the platform download,
or that download with all of Callisto installed. So, in essence, my bugzilla
is the tip of the iceberg you've identified above.
 
--
     RDS

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From: cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gaff,
Doug
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 6:20 AM
To: Cross project issues
Subject: RE: [cross-project-issues-dev] Callisto Meeting: 4/26/06
 
On #1:  ignore my date
for RC2.  I pulled it off of the wrong schedule.  According to
the Callisto page, it’s on May 5.

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From: cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gaff,
Doug
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:13 AM
To: Cross project issues
Subject: [cross-project-issues-dev] Callisto Meeting: 4/26/06
 
Hi folks,
 
Bjorn asked me to run the meeting in his
absence.
 
http://www.eclipse.org/projects/callisto.php
613.287.8000 -or- 866.362.7064
passcode 874551# 
 
Agenda:
 
1. RC2 status for each project (due 4/28)
2. Tim’s questions about OOM errors and
Performance problems.
3. All-in-one zip proposal:  http://www.eclipse.org/projects/callisto-files/callisto-download-proposal.php
4. Mega Release Review:  Contribution
Questionnaires due yesterday.
5. Pack 200 update
6. Anything I missed.
 
Doug G
DSDP
 
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