Re: [cdt-dev] Staying at 6 months?

[Doug Schaefer <dschaefer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

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Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Staying at 6 months?

On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 5:45 PM, Doug Schaefer <dschaefer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Comments in [Doug] (as Outlook continues to be really bad at this :).
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> On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 5:15 PM, Doug Schaefer <dschaefer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Hey gang,
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>> The platform announced they are moving to 3 month minor release 
>> cycles. That means they are doubling the time they spend in rampdown 
>> which from what we’ve learned,
>
> I wonder how you come to ^^ that thought. Actually we are reducing the rampdown significantly from the current 2 months for the yearly release and to the endgame plan for updates (e.g.
> https://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/development/plans/freeze_plan_4_7_1.ph
> p#FixPassAfterRC0) which is way less IMHO. This is not trying to 
> convince you in anything but I can't leave wrong impression about the intention on Platform side :).
>
> [Doug] There's still 4 RC's for every release. Which means you get 2 months of feature development and then one month of rampdown. When we did try 3 month cycles, > we'd finish a release and it would feel like when you ramped back up to work on features, it was time for the next rampdown already. It was very disruptive.

That's not the plan - Everything until RC1 is free game, 2 weeks of ramp down (RC2 and 3) and development can continue as RC4 is on request only and from branch. So effectively 2 weeks of rampdown each
3 months.

[Doug2] I'll adjust my expectations for quality accordingly :).

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> [Doug] If you have a big enough crew, I guess that would work. We do not on CDT, IMHO.

Actually, one of the most often heard reason to not contribute was that contributors would have to wait for almost a year till it makes it to a release (speaking for Platform alone). So I hope to even increase number of contributors that way.

[Doug2] That's probably true for yearly releases. I just feel the 6 month cycle helps that as much as 3 month would.

[Doug2] Anyway, each to their own. I just want to make sure the CDT project is on a path to success.

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>> slows down feature velocity especially when ratio of developer to 
>> releng person are as low as we have right now. I prefer we stay at 6 
>> month release cycles for CDT with maintenance releases as needed. We 
>> still have a ton of work to do with Core Build and until that’s 
>> finished, we’ll need that much time to get things done.
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>> But I am one voice. We need to hear from everyone, especially those 
>> waiting in the wings to become contributors. What would make it easier for you?
>>
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>> Thanks!
>>
>> Doug.
>>
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