Re: [cdt-dev] Launch bar sorting

[Marc Khouzam <marc.khouzam@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

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> On Behalf Of kesselhaus
> Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 6:13 PM
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> Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Launch bar sorting
> 
> Just some thoughts:
> 
> * The MRU | bar | all the rest is ok,
> * A configurable amount of MRU list would be nice.
>     Just as a side note, it always annoys me, the MRU lists of last recently files
> in some applications are ficed to e.g. 3, 5 or maybe 10.
>     e.g. I have so many PDF files to read, that I usually change Acrobat Reader
> to show 10..20 in the MRU to have them faster.

Instead of a preference, could we pull it off with a smart algorithm?  Something like:
1- Last 3 launches in the top list
2- Any launch what was triggered more than once in the last 10 distinct launches

The question becomes, is it worth spending the time tweaking a smart algorithm
or is a preference the way to go?

> * Maybe have some input field like the quick access or the MRU editors list to
> enter the name and it searches and narrows the list with each letter/digit
> entered.

+1 
I like that a lot.

> 
> 
> 
> Am 01.08.2014 16:29, schrieb Marc Khouzam:
> +1 for [3 top used | bar | Rest in alpgabetic order]
> 
> I think it would be a nice improvement.  The current behavior is frustrating at
> times.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Alena Laskavaia
> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 10:04 AM
> To: CDT General developers list.
> Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Launch bar sorting
> 
> So what is conclusion here? I have not read this thread before but launchbar
> now actually keeps launch descriptor sorted by last usage internally (but it
> still sorts them alphabetically for ui) I can do [3 top used | bar | Rest in
> alpgabetic order] and we can play with it?
> 
> On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Doug Schaefer <dschaefer@xxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> That's reasonable. Maybe I just feel the way I do because the UX around
> setting preferences is so bad in Eclipse and really shows our "tragedy of the
> commons" dirty
> laundry. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons
> ________________________________________
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> behalf of Sergey Prigogin [eclipse.sprigogin@xxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 4:27 PM
> 
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> Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Launch bar sorting
> 
> I look at it differently. Wherever there is some kind of prime real estate, for
> example the tab bar space, different users may want to prioritize things to
> appear in it differently. This is a product of human individuality, not a
> drawback of a UI design. One size simply doesn't fit all.
> 
> -sergey
> 
> On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Doug Schaefer <dschaefer@xxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> My eclipse bug list reminds me every day :)
> 
> That's the bug I was referring too when I mentioned polarizing UI that needs
> a preference. The trick there, though, would be to provide a better way of
> handling the situation when you have more editors open than you have
> space in the tab bar. But that has to be good or you'll make everyone angry...
> 
> Doug
> 
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> behalf of Sergey Prigogin [eclipse.sprigogin@xxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 3:37 PM
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> Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Launch bar sorting
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Doug Schaefer <dschaefer@xxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> That might work. No more than 5, though. 3 might be better. How many
> configs do people usually flip between?
> 
> And, it's not about me and my "preferences" (sorry :) ). Just don't create a
> preference unless you actually expect users to go find it. We often (almost
> always) use preferences as a crutch when we can't decide what's best for our
> users. Decide how you want them to work and what you want them to see.
> If it the UI is really polarizing, then use a preference to appease angry users.
> Mind you, the trick is to have no angry users.
> 
> I'd like to remind you
> about https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=388476.
> 
> Doug.
> 
> -sergey
> 
> ________________________________________
> From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] on
> behalf of Marc Khouzam [marc.khouzam@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 3:20 PM
> To: 'CDT General developers list.'
> Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Launch bar sorting
> 
> The first reaction is: "we need a preference".  But I know you don't like
> those, and I agree.
> Let's try to be nicer to our users.
> 
> How about an MRU of 5 (or 10 although that seems long for the list) at the
> top, followed by a small division line followed by the alphabetical list?
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
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> > On Behalf Of Doug Schaefer
> > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 3:01 PM
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> > Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Launch bar sorting
> >
> > Hey Marc, that's a good question. I have lots of configs as well (and
> > by lots I mean close to 50) and it does bug me a bit when I have to
> > find one. Actually sorting alphabetically helps with that.  If we did
> > it in MRU order, the it would be hard to find ones that you haven't used in a
> while.
> >
> > One option that crossed my mind is opening the selector at the one
> > that's selected. Then if you name your configs similarly, you can find them
> easier.
> >
> > The other issue is that we're showing configs that probably shouldn't
> > be there, things like External Tool configs that are called at build
> > time. Filtering the list to things we normally consider launches might help.
> >
> > Probably worth a bug. I just check my eclipse bug folder a lot less
> > often than my inbox.
> >
> > ________________________________________
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> > behalf of Marc Khouzam [marc.khouzam@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 2:30 PM
> > To: 'CDT DEV (cdt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx)'
> > Subject: [cdt-dev] Launch bar sorting
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > The Launch bar is great.  As I am using it, I'm really liking the
> > simplicity and ease-of-use.
> >
> > The launches are sorted alphabetically.  In the platform's launch list
> > when using the arrow next to 'bug' icon, the list is sorted by most
> > recently used.  Is there a way to get that sorting order with the
> > launch bar?  I have a lot of launches but use a subset that I would
> > like to see at the top.  Should I open a bug?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > P.S. For other to try, the launch bar has been checked-in to master so
> > it is very easy to try; just import the new projects from your git repo:
> > org.eclipse.cdt.launchbar.core
> > org.eclipse.cdt.launchbar.ui
> >
> > P.P.S. What is org.eclipse.cdt.launchbar.cdt.core used for?
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