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Re: [cdt-dev] Re: New Debug Model (was: Editor technology subgroup)
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Very cool! I just hope that woman
from the Apple commercial doesn't throw a big stinking hammer at our debug
server... ;o)
Mark.
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Pawel Piech <pawel.piech@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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As promised, I started on defining the requirements
for an optimal debug
model design for embedded debugging. I took kind of a fun approach
to
the problem, so please let me know if you think it's confusing or
inappropriate.
-Pawel
See: http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/DSDP/DD/DebugModel
Pawel Piech wrote:
> Hi All,
> I'll start off by apologizing. I've been meaning to edit the
> http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/DSDP/DD/DebugModel to start
> collecting requirements, but it seems like such a daunting task that
I
> ended up putting it off week after week :-( So rather than make
up
> more excuses I'll make sure that I get started on it today. If
anyone
> already has a set of requirements written up, please feel free to
post
> them on the twiki page or mail them to the list, it'll make this
> process a lot easier.
>
> Separately, we have been working on a prototype that we will commit
to
> CVS shortly. This is the same prototype that we talked about
in the
> February DSDP meeting, except we have rewritten it a couple of time
> since to take advantage of standards that are in JDK 5.0 and in OSGI.
> At this point, aside from javadocs and example code, the prototype
> code is ready to commit, we're just waiting to get the required
> signatures from within the company. So rather than try to describe
> what this thing is about, I'd rather wait another week or so and just
> post the code for everyone to look at.
>
> -Pawel
>
> P.S. I just signed up for dsdp-dd-dev and cdt-dev... better late then
> never.
>
>
>
> Oberhuber, Martin wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> while Doug Gaff is at the WR User Conference in Orlando,
>> let me go ahead and start the new thread :-)
>>
>> Yes, Pawel P has made quite some progress on prototyping
>> against the Flexible Debug Model. Sine quite a bit of this
>> is based on former WR proprietary code, we'll need to wait
>> for IP clearance before we can actually make a contribution.
>>
>> We hope this to happen anytime soon.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Martin
>> --
>> Martin Oberhuber - WindRiver, Austria
>> +43(662)457915-85
>>
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: dsdp-dd-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:dsdp-dd-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ewa
Matejska
>>> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 8:43 PM
>>> To: CDT General developers list.; Device Debugging developer
>>> discussions
>>> Subject: RE: [cdt-dev] RE: [dsdp-dd-dev] Editor technology
subgroup
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I propose starting a new thread for future communications
about the
>>> Debug Model since there's a technology subgroup in the DSDP-DD.
I
>>> would
>>> like to leave this thread for Editor enhancement/ideas/requests
>>> focusing
>>> on embedded development.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ewa.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx]
>>> On Behalf Of Greg Watson
>>> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 10:45 AM
>>> To: CDT General developers list.
>>> Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] RE: [dsdp-dd-dev] Editor technology
subgroup
>>>
>>> I got confused by all the Dougs. :-) I'd like to work with
anyone
>>> on this!
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>> On May 12, 2006, at 9:48 AM, Mikhail Khodjaiants wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Doug S,
>>>>
>>>> I sent my previous message before I saw yours. It is for
Doug G
>>>>
>>>> Mikhail K
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Schaefer"
>>> <DSchaefer@xxxxxxx>
>>>
>>>> To: "CDT General developers list." <cdt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 11:46 AM
>>>> Subject: RE: [cdt-dev] RE: [dsdp-dd-dev] Editor technology
subgroup
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Which Doug is everyone talking about :).
>>>>>
>>>>> Since the Greg's note was sent to cdt-dev, I thought
it was for
>>>>> me. This
>>>>> note sounds like it is for Doug G...
>>>>>
>>>>> Doug Schaefer, QNX Software Systems
>>>>> Eclipse CDT Project Lead, Tools PMC member
>>>>> http://cdtdoug.blogspot.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cdt-dev-
>>>>> bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Mikhail Khodjaiants
>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 11:35 AM
>>>>> To: CDT General developers list.
>>>>> Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] RE: [dsdp-dd-dev] Editor technology
subgroup
>>>>>
>>>>> Doug,
>>>>>
>>>>> There was a special group formed among others at the
last DSDP
>>>>> meeting to
>>>>> work on the design of the debug model. I volunteered
to
>>>>> participate, but I
>>>>> haven't heard anything since. You mentioned that Pavel
and
>>> Ted are
>>>>> doing
>>>>> some work in this direction. Is there any new information
>>>>> available on what
>>>>> they are doing?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Mikhail Khodjaiants
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Watson"
>>>>> <g.watson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: "CDT General developers list." <cdt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 11:11 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] RE: [dsdp-dd-dev] Editor technology
subgroup
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Doug,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder if we could be involved in the design
of the next
>>>>>> generation
>>>>>> debugger model? We're also looking at how to use
the flexible
>>>>>> debug model
>>>>>> for the parallel
debugger. Since we reused
>>>>>> considerable
>>> portions
>>>>>> of CDT
>>>>>> debugger functionality in the parallel debugger
implementation,
>>>>>> it would
>>>>>> make sense to try and combine efforts here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Greg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 12, 2006, at 8:19 AM, Doug Schaefer wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BTW, Welcome Toni!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We've been in need of some focus on the CDT
editor for a while
>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>> look
>>>>>>> forward to your contributions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Doug Schaefer, QNX Software Systems
>>>>>>> Eclipse CDT Project Lead, Tools PMC member
>>>>>>> http://cdtdoug.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: dsdp-dd-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> [mailto:dsdp-dd-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Gaff, Doug
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 2:43 PM
>>>>>>> To: Device Debugging developer discussions
>>>>>>> Cc: Leherbauer, Anton; CDT General developers
list.
>>>>>>> Subject: RE: [dsdp-dd-dev] Editor technology
subgroup
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've asked Toni Leherbauer from my team to
provide input
>>>>>>>
>>> on the
>>>>>>> editor.
>>>>>>> Toni is currently looking at enhancing the
CDT editor and is
>>>>>>> collecting
>>>>>>> some features on the CDT project plan.
>>>>>>> http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/CDT/planning/4.0
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Since there is interest in the editor in both
the CDT and DD
>>>>>>> projects,
>>>>>>> we should keep both groups in the loop. And
of course, we
>>>>>>> should have
>>>>>>> one editor solution in the end (in CDT). We
started
>>> discussing
>>>>>>> this in
>>>>>>> the DD project in Toronto simply as a way
to capture
>>>>>>> requirements as
>>>>>>> they related to debugging.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, as I mentioned on the recent DD call,
Ted and Pawel are
>>>>>>> working on
>>>>>>> a prototype for a generic debugger implementation
of the
>>>>>>>
>>> Eclipse
>>>>>>> 3.2
>>>>>>> debug model interfaces (EDMI 3.2 for short).
The goal
>>> is that this
>>>
>>>>>>> prototype will form the basis of a next-generation
debugger
>>>>>>> model that
>>>>>>> benefits folks using CDT and folks working
directly with the
>>>>>>> Eclipse
>>>>>>> platform today. We intend to get this
committed in the
>>> next few
>>>>>>> weeks
>>>>>>> so that the community can start discussing
architecture,
>>>>>>> interfaces, and
>>>>>>> requirements.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So regarding the editor, I see open questions
around how we
>>>>>>> integrate
>>>>>>> disassembly, breakpoints, instruction pointers,
etc. with a new
>>>>>>> debugger
>>>>>>> implementation. I am also wondering
how the editor will
>>>>>>>
>>> deal with
>>>
>>>>>>> multiple debug engines simultaneously (for
example, how
>>> to set the
>>>
>>>>>>> default breakpoint scope).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Doug
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
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