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Re: [cdt-dev] Re: New Debug Model (was: Editor technology subgroup)

Very cool!  I just hope that woman from the Apple commercial doesn't throw a big stinking hammer at our debug server...  ;o)


Pawel Piech <pawel.piech@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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05/16/2006 08:03 PM

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Re: [cdt-dev] Re: New Debug Model (was: Editor technology subgroup)

As promised, I started on defining the requirements for an optimal debug
model design for embedded debugging.  I took kind of a fun approach to
the problem, so please let me know if you think it's confusing or


Pawel Piech wrote:
> Hi All,
> I'll start off by apologizing.  I've been meaning to edit the
> to start
> collecting requirements, but it seems like such a daunting task that I
> ended up putting it off week after week :-(  So rather than make up
> more excuses I'll make sure that I get started on it today.  If anyone
> already has a set of requirements written up, please feel free to post
> them on the twiki page or mail them to the list, it'll make this
> process a lot easier.
> Separately, we have been working on a prototype that we will commit to
> CVS shortly.  This is the same prototype that we talked about in the
> February DSDP meeting, except we have rewritten it a couple of time
> since to take advantage of standards that are in JDK 5.0 and in OSGI.  
> At this point, aside from javadocs and example code, the prototype
> code is ready to commit, we're just waiting to get the required
> signatures from within the company.  So rather than try to describe
> what this thing is about, I'd rather wait another week or so and just
> post the code for everyone to look at.
> -Pawel
> P.S. I just signed up for dsdp-dd-dev and cdt-dev... better late then
> never.
> Oberhuber, Martin wrote:
>> Hi,
>> while Doug Gaff is at the WR User Conference in Orlando,
>> let me go ahead and start the new thread :-)
>> Yes, Pawel P has made quite some progress on prototyping
>> against the Flexible Debug Model. Sine quite a bit of this
>> is based on former WR proprietary code, we'll need to wait
>> for IP clearance before we can actually make a contribution.
>> We hope this to happen anytime soon.
>> Cheers,
>> Martin
>> --
>> Martin Oberhuber - WindRiver, Austria
>> +43(662)457915-85
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: dsdp-dd-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:dsdp-dd-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ewa Matejska
>>> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 8:43 PM
>>> To: CDT General developers list.; Device Debugging developer
>>> discussions
>>> Subject: RE: [cdt-dev] RE: [dsdp-dd-dev] Editor technology subgroup
>>> Hi,
>>> I propose starting a new thread for future communications about the
>>> Debug Model since there's a technology subgroup in the DSDP-DD.  I
>>> would
>>> like to leave this thread for Editor enhancement/ideas/requests
>>> focusing
>>> on embedded development.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ewa.
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx]
>>> On Behalf Of Greg Watson
>>> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 10:45 AM
>>> To: CDT General developers list.
>>> Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] RE: [dsdp-dd-dev] Editor technology subgroup
>>> I got confused by all the Dougs. :-) I'd like to work with anyone
>>> on  this!
>>> Greg
>>> On May 12, 2006, at 9:48 AM, Mikhail Khodjaiants wrote:
>>>> Doug S,
>>>> I sent my previous message before I saw yours. It is for Doug G
>>>> Mikhail K
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Schaefer"      
>>> <DSchaefer@xxxxxxx>
>>>> To: "CDT General developers list." <cdt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 11:46 AM
>>>> Subject: RE: [cdt-dev] RE: [dsdp-dd-dev] Editor technology subgroup
>>>>> Which Doug is everyone talking about :).
>>>>> Since the Greg's note was sent to cdt-dev, I thought it was for  
>>>>> me. This
>>>>> note sounds like it is for Doug G...
>>>>> Doug Schaefer, QNX Software Systems
>>>>> Eclipse CDT Project Lead, Tools PMC member
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cdt-dev-
>>>>> bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Mikhail Khodjaiants
>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 11:35 AM
>>>>> To: CDT General developers list.
>>>>> Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] RE: [dsdp-dd-dev] Editor technology subgroup
>>>>> Doug,
>>>>> There was a special group formed among others at the last DSDP  
>>>>> meeting to
>>>>> work on the design of the debug model. I volunteered to  
>>>>> participate, but I
>>>>> haven't heard anything since. You mentioned that Pavel and        
>>> Ted are    
>>>>> doing
>>>>> some work in this direction. Is there any new information  
>>>>> available on what
>>>>> they are doing?
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Mikhail Khodjaiants
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Watson"  
>>>>> <g.watson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: "CDT General developers list." <cdt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 11:11 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] RE: [dsdp-dd-dev] Editor technology subgroup
>>>>>> Doug,
>>>>>> I wonder if we could be involved in the design of the next  
>>>>>> generation
>>>>>> debugger model? We're also looking at how to use the flexible  
>>>>>> debug model
>>>>>>           for the parallel debugger. Since we reused
>>>>>> considerable            
>>> portions    
>>>>>> of CDT
>>>>>> debugger functionality in the parallel debugger  implementation,  
>>>>>> it would
>>>>>> make sense to try and combine efforts here.
>>>>>> Greg
>>>>>> On May 12, 2006, at 8:19 AM, Doug Schaefer wrote:
>>>>>>> BTW, Welcome Toni!
>>>>>>> We've been in need of some focus on the CDT editor for a while  
>>>>>>> and  I
>>>>>>> look
>>>>>>> forward to your contributions.
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Doug Schaefer, QNX Software Systems
>>>>>>> Eclipse CDT Project Lead, Tools PMC member
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: dsdp-dd-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> [mailto:dsdp-dd-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gaff, Doug
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 2:43 PM
>>>>>>> To: Device Debugging developer discussions
>>>>>>> Cc: Leherbauer, Anton; CDT General developers list.
>>>>>>> Subject: RE: [dsdp-dd-dev] Editor technology subgroup
>>>>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>>>> I've asked Toni Leherbauer from my team to provide input
>>> on the      
>>>>>>> editor.
>>>>>>> Toni is currently looking at enhancing the CDT editor and is  
>>>>>>> collecting
>>>>>>> some features on the CDT project plan.
>>>>>>> Since there is interest in the editor in both the CDT and DD  
>>>>>>> projects,
>>>>>>> we should keep both groups in the loop.  And of course, we  
>>>>>>> should have
>>>>>>> one editor solution in the end (in CDT).  We started            
>>> discussing      
>>>>>>> this in
>>>>>>> the DD project in Toronto simply as a way to capture  
>>>>>>> requirements as
>>>>>>> they related to debugging.
>>>>>>> Also, as I mentioned on the recent DD call, Ted and Pawel are  
>>>>>>> working on
>>>>>>> a prototype for a generic debugger implementation of the
>>> Eclipse    
>>>>>>> 3.2
>>>>>>> debug model interfaces (EDMI 3.2 for short).  The goal            
>>> is that this
>>>>>>> prototype will form the basis of a next-generation debugger  
>>>>>>> model that
>>>>>>> benefits folks using CDT and folks working directly with the  
>>>>>>> Eclipse
>>>>>>> platform today.  We intend to get this committed in the            
>>> next few    
>>>>>>> weeks
>>>>>>> so that the community can start discussing architecture,  
>>>>>>> interfaces, and
>>>>>>> requirements.
>>>>>>> So regarding the editor, I see open questions around how we  
>>>>>>> integrate
>>>>>>> disassembly, breakpoints, instruction pointers, etc. with a new  
>>>>>>> debugger
>>>>>>> implementation.  I am also wondering how the editor will
>>> deal with
>>>>>>> multiple debug engines simultaneously (for example, how            
>>> to set the
>>>>>>> default breakpoint scope).
>>>>>>> Doug
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