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Can't find answers to basic question [message #178304]

Fri, 03 November 2006 18:02

Eclipse User

Originally posted by: user.example.net

Hello,

I'm considering to start working with Eclipse IDE
for the purpose of automating my OOo documents.
Currently I'm in the researching phase to be finally able to
make the decision: Eclipse or Netbeans.
I will use Eclipse platform as IDE but not participate in its
development.

Unfortunately I can't find in the Eclipse portal no answers
to some basic questions.
- Eclipse download is available as SDK. Do I need SDK for my
requirements ? Or is SDK only in development of Eclipse
only necessary ?
- Does creating Java applications using Eclipse platform base
on Java JDK, or does Eclipse include some own bundle of Java
development tools in form of plug-in ?

Thanks for all your hints in advance.

Regards

Re: Can't find answers to basic question [message #178334 is a reply to message #178304]

Fri, 03 November 2006 19:18

Eclipse User

Originally posted by: nobody.there.127.0.0.1

exquisitus wrote:
> - Eclipse download is available as SDK. Do I need SDK for my
> requirements ? Or is SDK only in development of Eclipse
> only necessary ?

The SDK is necessary if you want to build Java or C++ apps. If you don't
(if you just want CVS repository access, for instance) you could use the
non-SDK version. Personally, I'd recommend the SDK version regardless:
it's been tested by many more people.

> - Does creating Java applications using Eclipse platform base
> on Java JDK, or does Eclipse include some own bundle of Java
> development tools in form of plug-in ?

The Java runtime is not included, and must be downloaded separately.
Most of the Java tools (compiler, etc.) are included with Eclipse. More
of the C++ tools are implemented as calls to executable utilities.

Hope this helps!

Andrew Jr.

============================================================ ==========
IBM Phoenix Labs (OTI)
2929 North Central Avenue
Phoenix, Arizona, USA 85012

Re: Can't find answers to basic question [message #178349 is a reply to message #178304]

Fri, 03 November 2006 22:43

Eclipse User

Originally posted by: wayne.beaton._NOSPAM_eclipse.org

exquisitus wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm considering to start working with Eclipse IDE
> for the purpose of automating my OOo documents.
> Currently I'm in the researching phase to be finally able to
> make the decision: Eclipse or Netbeans.
> I will use Eclipse platform as IDE but not participate in its
> development.
>
> Unfortunately I can't find in the Eclipse portal no answers
> to some basic questions.
> - Eclipse download is available as SDK. Do I need SDK for my
> requirements ? Or is SDK only in development of Eclipse
> only necessary ?

You could just download the Platform Runtime Binaries. These are a lot
smaller than the SDK (it doesn't include the JDT, PDE, or source code).
However, it is a bare bones IDE with not even Java development support.
You can add that support (and other features) using the Update site. The
platform runtime binaries with the java Development Tools added is still
quite a lot smaller than the SDK. There is information (along with
screen cam demos) that show how all this works here:

http://www.eclipse.org/callisto/custom.php

Another option (and one that is getting quite popular) is to instead use
the Yoxo distribution of Eclipse. It allows you to pick and choose the
features you want in your Eclipse installation and provides a handy
single download with those features (it has a fancy AJAX UI to boot).
Check it out here:

http://yoxos.com/

> - Does creating Java applications using Eclipse platform base
> on Java JDK, or does Eclipse include some own bundle of Java
> development tools in form of plug-in ?

> Thanks for all your hints in advance.
>
> Regards

Re: Can't find answers to basic question [message #178372 is a reply to message #178334]

Sat, 04 November 2006 04:15

Eclipse User

Originally posted by: user.example.net

Andrew Cornwall wrote:

> The Java runtime is not included, and must be downloaded separately.
> Most of the Java tools (compiler, etc.) are included with Eclipse. More
> of the C++ tools are implemented as calls to executable utilities.

So I need JRE to be able to run created applications.
And I need Eclipse IDE only to be able to implement those, cause
"Most of the Java tools (compiler, etc.) are included with Eclipse".

How about if I wish use Eclipse together with Sun Java JDK ?
Any restrictions, incompatibility issues ?

Re: Can't find answers to basic question [message #178583 is a reply to message #178372]

Mon, 06 November 2006 10:36

Eclipse User

Originally posted by: eclipse4.rizzoweb.com

exquisitus wrote:
> Andrew Cornwall wrote:
>
>> The Java runtime is not included, and must be downloaded separately.
>> Most of the Java tools (compiler, etc.) are included with Eclipse.
>> More of the C++ tools are implemented as calls to executable utilities.
>
> So I need JRE to be able to run created applications.
> And I need Eclipse IDE only to be able to implement those, cause
> "Most of the Java tools (compiler, etc.) are included with Eclipse".
>
> How about if I wish use Eclipse together with Sun Java JDK ?
> Any restrictions, incompatibility issues ?

You need a JRE (or better, a JDK) to run Eclipse itself and to build
your Java programs. The by-far most common choice is the Sun JDK.

If you were to find an incompatibility between code compiled with
Eclipse and code compiled with plain-old JDK, it would be a bug and the
community would expect you to report it so it could be corrected ASAP.

It seems as if you might be asking if using Eclipse to build your Java
programs will introduce any proprietary, non-standard, or incompatible
stuff into your program. The answer to that is "no" (unless you choose
to build a program based on Eclipse itself). Eclipse is NOT like the old
J++ that had all kinds of proprietary junk.

Hope this helps,
Eric

Re: Can't find answers to basic question [message #178686 is a reply to message #178583]

Mon, 06 November 2006 16:29

Eclipse User

Originally posted by: user.example.net

Eric Rizzo wrote:
>
> It seems as if you might be asking if using Eclipse to build your Java
> programs will introduce any proprietary, non-standard, or incompatible
> stuff into your program. The answer to that is "no" (unless you choose
> to build a program based on Eclipse itself). Eclipse is NOT like the old
> J++ that had all kinds of proprietary junk.
>

Thanks for your answer.
No. My intention is rather to do now some pre-researching regarding
what I need at all, without have to install and try out a lot of
combinations.
My wish is to find out first the software packet satisfying my needs
based on web researching.
After that is done to go through to the download and installation phase.
Final phase should be use-and-enjoy-it.

I see now. I would need Sun JDK together with e.g. NetBeans.
For Eclipse I have to take JDT.

Re: Can't find answers to basic question [message #178764 is a reply to message #178686]

Tue, 07 November 2006 03:42

Eclipse User

Originally posted by: hendrik_maryns.despammed.com

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exquisitus schreef:
> Eric Rizzo wrote:
>>
>> It seems as if you might be asking if using Eclipse to build your Java
>> programs will introduce any proprietary, non-standard, or incompatible
>> stuff into your program. The answer to that is "no" (unless you choose
>> to build a program based on Eclipse itself). Eclipse is NOT like the
>> old J++ that had all kinds of proprietary junk.
>>
>
> Thanks for your answer.
> No. My intention is rather to do now some pre-researching regarding
> what I need at all, without have to install and try out a lot of
> combinations.
> My wish is to find out first the software packet satisfying my needs
> based on web researching.
> After that is done to go through to the download and installation phase.
> Final phase should be use-and-enjoy-it.
>
> I see now. I would need Sun JDK together with e.g. NetBeans.
> For Eclipse I have to take JDT.

No. JDT is packed into Eclipse, it is an standard part of it. Just
like with NetBeans, you will need a JDK, though, since Eclipse itself
needs Java to run.

H.
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Hendrik Maryns
http://tcl.sfs.uni-tuebingen.de/~hendrik/
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Re: Can't find answers to basic question [message #178873 is a reply to message #178764]

Tue, 07 November 2006 15:33

Eclipse User

Originally posted by: user.example.net

Hendrik Maryns wrote:
> Just like with NetBeans, you will need a JDK, though, since Eclipse itself
> needs Java to run.
Maybe you mean here the JRE - Java Runtime Environment needed to run
Java applications ?

Re: Can't find answers to basic question [message #178905 is a reply to message #178873]

Tue, 07 November 2006 17:29

Eclipse User

Originally posted by: eclipse4.rizzoweb.com

exquisitus wrote:
> Hendrik Maryns wrote:
>> Just like with NetBeans, you will need a JDK, though, since Eclipse
>> itself
>> needs Java to run.
> Maybe you mean here the JRE - Java Runtime Environment needed to run
> Java applications ?

Either a JRE or a JDK will work, but for developing Java applications
you will find it better if you have the JDK as opposed to a plain JRE -
JDK provides you with source and JavaDoc for the core Java libraries,
which is very useful during development. Plus, you'll need the JDK in
order to compile your code outside of Eclipse, if you ever want to do so.

Hope this helps,
Eric

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