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[wtp-pmc] Agenda for WTP PMC November 13, 2006 telecon
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Call info:
- Tollfree in the US:
866-214-3176
- Alternate: 404-827-9098
- Access code: 8870689#
Call Time: 7am PDT / 10am PDT
Regrets: Bob Goodman
(presenting at AJAX
experience) and Raghu (Oracle Open World)
Agenda:
- Community [Pieter]
- EclipseCon tutorials –
see last
week’s minutes; I also attached a PPT I made up for my own
understanding which you might find useful
- Process issues [Tim]
- PHP’s use of WTP (see
attached thread)
- Requirements and 2.0 Planning
- Do we need to publicize our
EMF / Java SE 6 plans more widely?
- 1.5.2 patches, 1.5.3, and 2.0
Status [David]
- 162974 on
the 1.5.2 update site
- 1.5.3 planning
- 2.0 / Europa status
- ATF [Robert]
- Dali/JPA [Neil]
- JSF [Raghu]
Also, please reply-all with additional topics; I’m
still catching up on email after vacation (around 5000 messages…gulp) so
apologies in advance if I’m missing anything.
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From: wtp-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Robert Goodman
[goodmanr@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 5:01
PM
To: WTP PMC communications (including coordination,
announcements,and Group discussions)
Cc: WTP PMC communications
(including coordination, announcements,and Group discussions);
wtp-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [wtp-pmc] Comment on section
1.7.2.4 PHP Tools Project of theWeb Tools Platform 2.0
Plan
Attachments: ATT47320210.txt
Lawrence I and Brian Burns
and a number of phone conferences with Tim Deboer where we discuss the number of
issues that PHP team has with the server. Brian and I worked on the PHP IDE.
Brian did most of the HTTP Server based on the WTP infrastructure. Neither Brian
or I are working on the PHP IDE anymore. You made the statement that WTP users are already familiar with WTP serve
tools, but PHP users are not. PHP developers are not J2EE developers. The simple
fact is that the WTP server GUIs are not very intuitive. To change a server
configuration after it is created, you have to go to the server view, select a
server, right click on the server and select open. There are people who have
used eclipse that didn't know this is how it worked until I told them. We ran
into other problems like the publishing model seemed to be baked into the based
infrastructure and wasn't easily extended/changed. I can set up a meeting, but does WTP really have
resources to do anything about it. thanks Bob
Robert Goodman
IBM Emerging
Technologies
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Lawrence Mandel
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1.7.2.4 PHP Tools Project of the Web
Tools Platform 2.0 Plan |
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Bob,
I'm not familiar with the background for this issue
but this sounds like a bad situation to me. I think where possible projects
should communicate and work together to avoid duplicating function. WRT servers,
I think Eclipse should have one way to create and control servers as users will
likely want to install both Java and PHP Web development tools. As WTP users are
already familiar with the WTP server tools I really think that creating another
way to control servers for PHP is a mistake. (Actually, I think it's a mistake
for the PHP project to not seamlessly integrate with WTP as I think Eclipse
users will expect it to.) Remember, many users will install Eclipse, WTP and PHP
and expect all the projects to work together.
Instead of creating a competing
server framework in the PHP project, which seems to me to be out of scope for
the project (the creation review slides for the project state one of the goals
is to "Leverage the existing Web Tools Project in providing developers with PHP
capabilities" [1]), I'd like to see the PHP committers work with the WTP server
tools team. Can you set up a meeting between the two teams to discuss the
limitations/problems the PHP team is having with the server tools? (Has this
call already happened?)
[1]
http://www.eclipse.org/php/documents/PHP%20IDE%20-%20creation%20review.pdf
Thanks,
Lawrence Mandel
Software
Developer
IBM Rational Software
Phone: 905 - 413 - 3814 Fax: 905 -
413 - 4920
lmandel@xxxxxxxxxx
Robert Goodman
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1.7.2.4 PHP Tools Project of the Web Tools Platform 2.0
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The PHP tools project
has dropped or is planning to dropped support for the Apache Server built on top
of the WTP server infrastructure. The PHP team is building there own Apache
server support which isn't based on the WTP server infrastructure. ATF has
picked up the Apache Server based on the WTP infrastructure and integrated it
into ATF. In the process the ATF team changed the GUIs back to match the WTP
server GUIs for creating a Server. The PHP team didn't think that the WTP GUIs
were very intuitive. Since these GUIs are baked into the WTP infrastructure,
changing the GUIs caused a number of problems. Eventually the PHP team decided
to move off the WTP server infrastructure.
Thanks
Bob
Robert
Goodman
IBM Emerging Technologies
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