AW: [wtp-pmc] Google AJAX toolkit

["Krause, Jochen" <jkrause@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

It looks very interesting. The development model is very close to the
one that we are enabling with RAP - development in Java only. There are
two differentiators: 
 
1. GWT is running on an emulated java engine in the browser, RAP is
mainly running on the serverside and only smartly refreshing the client
by using AJAX. As a result eventhandling in GWT is on the client side (+
possible RPC calls to the server), whereas RAP relays client-side events
to the server for processing. 
 
2. With RAP being mainly server side it can access the full java api and
make use of OSGi inside a web container, enabling the full usage of the
eclipse plugin model. Applications can contribute to a common workbench
and to other plugins. It is not easy to imagine that this can be ported
to run in a browser. 
 
In essence, RAP enables a RCP-comparable approach for web applications,
GWT enables a "standalone SWT" comparable approach. 
 
Jochen

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Jochen Krause
Innoopract Informationssysteme GmbH
Tel: +49-721-9662360
http://innoopract.com <http://innoopract.com/> 
  



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Jochen, I'm curious - how does the Google offering differ from RAP?

 

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Wow, I think this is RedPill -- back in Dec/Jan I was asked to evaluate
this stuff, and it's neat 
technology but, as Lawrence points out, it's all Java-based: the idea
being that one writes the
entire web app, including the client end, in Java, and it spits out
(obfuscated) JavaScript that
does what you want it to do. 

It was nicely integrated with Eclipse, and they did a nice job, but we
weren't really sure what to
do with 'em, to be honest. Their Java-based approach made them
orthogonal to ATF.

Craig Becker

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>From a quick overview of the Google Web toolkit it seems the defining
characteristic of it is that development is done in Java, not HTML and
JavaScript. (The site even states that Google Web toolkit based apps can
be developed in Eclipse!) Google provides a test platform and a tool to
convert Java code that makes use of the toolkit into HTML and
JavaScript. From the project proposal, the initial focus of ATF is on
JavaScript and DOM tooling that facilitates development using toolkits
such as Dojo. Given the defining characteristic of the Google Web
toolkit I'm not sure how much benefit there will be from creating a
Google personality. 

Craig - Please feel free to correct me if I'm off base here and you
think there will there be value in defining a Google personality. 

Lawrence Mandel

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IBM Rational Software
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Have you seen http://code.google.com/webtoolkit/
<http://code.google.com/webtoolkit/>  ? 

Curious to hear what you think about it, whether ATF should be
integrated with their tool offerings, etc. 
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