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RE: [wtp-pmc] August 23rd telecon agenda

Let's review the WTP 1.0 and WTP 1.5 plans in the Roadmap [1].

[1] http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/development/planning/roadmap.html

Arthur Ryman,
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"Tim Wagner" <twagner@xxxxxxx>
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08/23/2005 08:21 AM

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RE: [wtp-pmc] August 23rd telecon agenda





Mike’s proposed deltas to the Charter language are in the attached email thread.
 


From: Tim Wagner
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 3:53 AM
To: 'WTP PMC communications (including coordination, announcements, and Group discussions)'; raghunathan.srinivasan@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [wtp-pmc] August 23rd telecon agenda
 
Welcome back to the weekly WTP PMC calls!
 
Agenda:
  • Community update and 0.7 release feedback
  • 0.7.1 status and planning
  • 1.0 release planning (see attached)
  • releng issues (see attached)
  • charter revision amendment from Mike Milinkovich
  • requirements update/planning
  • architecture update/planning
  • other items
 
I’m just returned from vacation, so apologies in advance if I’ve missed agenda items…still working through the 1000’s of emails that accrued.
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From: Mike Milinkovich [mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 1:03 PM
To: Ed Cobb; Tim Wagner; Janet Campbell
Cc: 'Bjorn Freeman-Benson'; 'WTP PMC communications (including coordination, announcements, and Group discussions)'
Subject: RE: Revised WTP charter for Eclipse Board consideration

As per my last note, I would like to have someone from the WTP PMC send me a revised draft. Since I am going on vacation for a week, please ask Janet Campbell to forward the draft to the board email list.

Also, I would like to propose one additional change to the sentence regarding implementing draft specifications. Something to the effect: "WTP may implement draft standard specifications provided that the intended scope of the final version of the specification remains consistent with this Charter, and provided that the relevant standards body will grant Eclipse sufficient rights to the draft specification to implement them in a manner consistent with a transparent open source project. "

Mike Milinkovich
Executive Director,
Eclipse Foundation, Inc.
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From: Ed Cobb [mailto:ecobb@xxxxxxx]
Sent: August 3, 2005 6:20 PM
To: mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx; Tim Wagner
Cc: Bjorn Freeman-Benson; WTP PMC communications (including coordination, announcements, and Group discussions)
Subject: RE: Revised WTP charter for Eclipse Board consideration

            Mike, consensus here is that your proposed changes are reasonable, so unless you hear from someone else on the PMC, I suggest we go with them.

Edward Cobb
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From: Mike Milinkovich [mailto:mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 2:35 PM
To: Tim Wagner
Cc: Ed Cobb; 'Bjorn Freeman-Benson'; 'WTP PMC communications (including coordination, announcements, and Group discussions)'
Subject: RE: Revised WTP charter for Eclipse Board consideration

Tim,

I would like to suggest the following revisions before taking this to the Board. (I apologize if you receive different or additional guidance from Bjorn. I am writing this in an airplane.)

  • Replace "Additional projects will be created within the overall Scope where resources and interest allow." with "Additional projects will be created as per the then-current Eclipse Development Process within the overall Scope where resources and interest allow." This is to make it clear that the final approval resides with the EMO as the current development process says:

If a new Project is being proposed and the PMC is satisfied with its Creation Review and its proposed Project Lead, the PMC asks the EMO to approve the Project. The EMO may approve a Project that is consistent with the Top Level Project’s Charter. If the proposed Project is inconsistent with the Top Level Project’s Charter, then the EMO may either reject the Proposal or propose an extension of the Charter to the Board, which would then determine whether or not to approve the extension. The EMO may not approve any Project that is inconsistent with the Purposes. If any Member believes that the EMO has acting incorrectly in approving or rejecting a proposed Project, that Member may appeal to the Board to review the EMO’s decision.

And this way, it is clear that if the overall process changes, the process of adding projects to WTP changes.

  • This sentence is ambiguous: "WTP may implement draft standards provided the final version remains consistent with this Charter. " Is the "final version" referring to the spec? Would "WTP may implement draft standard specifications provided that the intended scope of the final version of the specification remains consistent with this Charter. " be clearer? I admit that I am guessing a little bit w.r.t. what you mean here.

Thanks.

Mike Milinkovich
Executive Director,
Eclipse Foundation, Inc.
Office: 613-224-9461 x228
Cell: 613-220-3223
mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx

blog: http://milinkovich.blogspot.com/

From: Tim Wagner [mailto:twagner@xxxxxxx]
Sent: July 29, 2005 9:36 PM
To: mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Ed Cobb; Bjorn Freeman-Benson; WTP PMC communications (including coordination, announcements, and Group discussions)
Subject: Revised WTP charter for Eclipse Board consideration

Mike,

Please ask the Eclipse Board of Directors to consider this revision to the WTP charter on behalf of the WTP PMC.

In the attached zip you will find:

  • Revised WTP Charter.html – the revised content of the charter. “images/subprojects.gif” is required to view this page.
  • Original Charter.htm – the original (current charter). Files in the “Original Charter_files” directory are required to view this page.
  • Delta.doc – a Word document showing the differences between the two charter files above as markup. (Normative material; “Revised WTP Charter.html” should be considered definitive.)

These are the modifications we discussed previously and which the WTP PMC has voted to accept. I will be on vacation through 8/19; please address any logistical questions or problems to the WTP PMC mailing list in the interim.

In the event of problems that prevent the acceptance of this revision in its entirety in the August meeting, please make a request to the Board that at least the modification to accept additional subprojects be granted, so that the JSF project can proceed subsequent to its creation review.

Thanks for your help in this matter,

Tim Wagner, on behalf of the WTP PMC

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