Re: [udig-devel] Open Street Map in uDig

["Harry Bullen" <hbullen@xxxxxxxxx>]

First I can currently display Google maps using the same method I use
for open street view.  And adding Yahoo would be an 10 min
modification.   Secondly both of these work by pulling the tiles
directly off Google's server.  That is the problem you are not allowed
to do that unless you are a web app using the google api and udig
doesn't.  Or at least that is my interrpration of the TOS.

On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 7:33 PM, Eric Jarvies <ej@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> With Yahoo, Google, et, al, each individual person/company must have a
> license/key issued by Yahoo, Google, et, al.  Thus, in order to comply with
> their respective license terms/API, one should simply make a
> 'Google/Yahoo/etc' feature in uDig so that it is ready to be used, but only
> after the individual user has entered their personal/company key/license.
>
> This would then make the option available to anyone who wishes to use it,
> whilst not causing uDig to violate Yahoo, Google, et, al, licensing terms
> and conditions.
>
> Myself, along with others, have discussed implementing Google maps into
> uDig, but the argument of licensing always is brought up, some citing it
> would be in violation.  However, I have often thought that if the
> functionality was built into uDig, allowing users to connect to Google(et,
> al) maps, but ONLY if they enter a valid license key, that uDig would not be
> in violation of Google's(et, al) licensing terms and conditions.   Each
> individual person/company who wishes to obtain a license key from Google in
> order to use the feature, would of course need to obtain said license key
> from Google(et, al) themselves to activate the feature.
>
> Many of us have Google license keys(both for localhost/127.0.0.1, and for
> our actual domain names), which we use for our website mash-ups.  In much
> the same way, I would suggest this same functionality be built into uDig, so
> that a user can enter their localhost/127.0.0.1 license key, thus having the
> ability to include Google maps(et, al) into their layer mix on their local
> computer.   In much the same was as uDig currently handles the 'Help'
> pages(localhost), it would do the same for Google(et, al) maps.  But this is
> beyond my own understanding of such things technical.
>
> In the case where a user wishes to distribute a version of uDig, wherein
> Google(et, al) maps work out of the box, then of course they would need to
> obtain licensing from Google(et, al) in order to do so.  Otherwise,
> individual users who wish to have google(et, al) maps layers in their layer
> mix, should simply  apply for a Google(et, al) localhost/127.0.0.1 license
> key, wherein they enter it into their own copy of uDig, and voila!
>  Google(et, al) maps layer!
>
> Does this sound viable?
>
> Over and above having Google/Yahoo/etc. map layer(s)(sat, street, and topo)
> in your layer mix, I think it would also be useful if the user had the
> option to lock and unlock foreground layers to the respective
> Google/yahoo/etc. background layer.  This would allow the user the ability
> to zoom in and out of the Google/Yahoo/etc. background layers, whilst not
> zooming any of their own foreground layers(no matter if it's a shapefile,
> remote dB, WFS, or whatever).  What's the point?  Well, this would allow
> users the ability to align their foreground layers, along with making any
> adjustments, to match the Google/Yahoo/etc. background layers.  The benefit
> is not realize by those in the US or UK, as Google/Yahoo/etc. maps are
> pretty accurate, but in places like Mexico, Google maps tend to be off by
> 1-5 meters in 2 directions in some cases.  Thus, if I have a map I wish to
> overlay atop a Google/Yahoo/etc. map in a Openlayers mash-up, it would
> provide an easy way to make my maps align with Google's maps, so that roads,
> buildings, etc are imposed in correct alignment(nothing worse then having a
> road overlaid that is 3 meters off, resting atop a properties/buildings or
> the like.
>
> Eric Jarvies
>
>
> On Dec 23, 2008, at 4:55 PM, Harry Bullen wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes. Make a preference page that the used can fill in some king of yahoo
>>> I'd
>>> and you are good to go. Yahoo also offers decent search for looking up
>>> WMS
>>> etc.
>>>
>> I know the iphone keyboard is small and everything but I can't figure
>> out what your're saying here:)
>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On 24/12/2008, at 7:57 AM, "Harry Bullen" <hbullen@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is it okay to use yahoo sat and street?
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Eric Jarvies <ej@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> wonderful!  nice going.  now yahoo sat and street!!  :)
>>>>> On Dec 23, 2008, at 1:11 PM, Harry Bullen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have recently created a map graphic that loads open street map.  It
>>>>>> works pretty well and caches it's images.
>>>>>> Unfortunately open street map still has lots of issues with
>>>>>> readability.  Anyways here are some screen shots of it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Harry William Bullen IV
>>>>>> <
>>>>>> openstreet1
>>>>>> .png
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> <
>>>>>> opeenstreet2
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Harry William Bullen IV